DEC & FO jobs on ATR
 

I have heard through a friend that Skywest in Austrailia that have ATR 72-500's (600's on order) are looking for pilots who have a full ATPL for full-time employment. Min is 1500 hrs total with 250 ATR for FO and 2500 hrs total with 500 ATR P1 for DEC. Employment visa sponsored by the company. Jobs are for their tie-in with Virgin Australia. Interviews & SIM in Dublin this weekend.

For more info at ETOPS | Aviation Experts, Airlines Operations Support, Aviation Training Services
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Good luck

Glass half empty there then!!

Thanks for the info hardcase, they are advertising heavily through the flight global website also, aswell as with other agencies. Good thing is though its a permanent contract with the Airline. Certainly would give it a go myself if i had the hours, plenty of friends with the hours are going for it.

Good luck to all that apply!

I think you are messing up a little bit dude.

What hardcase is talking about is a job offer, with a great salary and benefits, it has nothing to do with line training.

Skywest
 

Not sure where 5 rings gets his info from and it could be correct,but.....Skywest seem to be dealing with ETOPS, Sigma, known other TRTO's and directly though Flight Adverts. I was in TLS this week and met two very nice Aussie guys from Skywest doing the interviews and sim assements. I also talked to some other ATR drivers who were there for interview all had used different channels of recruitment. This deal seems very above board.

That's right my friend.:ok:

Australia is really short of experienced ATR drivers (which is not the case of Europe).

I have heard that the salary and benefits are very attractive.

Maybe not ATR
 

What I find odd is that experienced ATR drivers who are Aussies and living in OZ haven't been contacted for interviews. They may not be current but surely thats easier than sponsoring expats to work here?

We also have a bucket load of very experienced Dash 8 and Saab 340 crews here who could transition easily. A big Saab 340 operator here in OZ doesn't pay very well and people would jump ship quick smart for a better deal.

I have no problem with foreign crews coming to Oz to fill a skills gap but I can't see why they would be offering permanant contracts. One to two years would be ample time to train locals

I would advise anybody who's thinking of moving to Australia for this contract to do your homework VERY thoroughly.

Australia is by no means the cheap country, it used to be. Property, day to day expenses and especially food are extremely expensive. You will have your hand in your pocket just to walk outside.

Within my group of friends are at least 2 couples that have had enough of feeling like they're being ripped off to live here and they're heading back to the UK.

Also, I'd add that I'm not trying to put anyone off. Personally, I think if we as a nation are dumb enough to elect a government that doesn't protect Australian jobs, we've only got ourselves to blame.

OMG, some of you are so frustrated; it's very sad try to read all your crap.:yuk:

For your information guys, Europe IS expensive AS WELL. London, Paris, Roma, Milan, Madrid, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Dublin, Athens. That is the same everywhere!


And last but not least, there are lots of Australians working in Europe, Middle East, Vietnam, Korea, China, Canada, Africa, Japan. What do you want? To send them back home in order to let unqualified locals take the jobs? C'mon! Don't be that stupid.

The Saab 340 and Dash 8 have nothing to do with the ATR. What Virgin/skywest is looking for is experience on type. So, please, please, please keep your bulsh1t with you and give us a break. :eek:

Kiss

Read my post again. Australia is now more expensive than Europe. And yes I do know because I've lived in the EU for years before I came back here.

So, my point was simply to factor that in, when working out how "attractive" you think the package is. If you think the package is that good, then go for it. Although I think you'll be in for a bit of a shock.

Other than that, you might want to lay off the insults. Neither mine nor the post after were BS.

Kenny, the package offered is very good, so don´t worry. :ok:

Living and working all over EU for the last 5 yrs or so, and was back in Aus over xmas and New yrs... Can say that Aus is now more exp then EU by all means... The cost of living compares to when i left in 2007 has skyrocketed, and to be honest the cost of most everyday things here in the EU hasnt changed much from what i paid 5 yrs ago when i got here...

105K is good money, but the cost of living in aus is def a consideration you need to take seriously! :{

Interesting. Given the amount of Aussie's and Kiwi's over here in Europe putting the world to rights about how Qantas, Cathay or Air NZ dicked them over and how they had to relocate to dreary, expensive and clueless Europe, I get a little warm feeling when I see the tide moving in the other direction. I can nominate a few of your nationals who would be willing to return. Infact many of my colleagues would happily nominate them and would probably go as far as sponsoring their ATR ratings. What a pain in the :mad:

What on earth are you talking about kilo?

Let's do the maths!

WHAT IS THE AVERAGE SALARY IN AUSTRALIA???? :p

For those considering coming to Australia, Sydney was just named the 7th most expensive city in world, Melbourne 8th and Brisbane 13th. Close to 30% of your pay will go in tax.

To buy an average house in a good area of Brisbane or Canberra (current bases on offer) will cost $600000+. If you rent a house then it will cost you between $500-700 in the same area. If you go further out from the city and like sitting in traffic for 1-2 hours each way from work then you will pay $400000-$500000 for a house and $450 - 600 to rent.

Public transport is very expensive and to the airports is a very average service (not to bad in Sydney). The AirTran service in Brisbane starts to late and misses the early flights, same in the evening, it stops before the last flights.

Australia s far from the lucky, easy going country it once was. Aussies are taking less holidays and working longer hours to pay the bills.

And as far as the package being "Very good", 105K is less than I was paid as an F50 Captain 18 years ago!!

Wiz
 

yeah agreed mate, but lets put that into perspective... the pakage for a turbo prop driver compared with say rex or qlink in todays market is attractive...

18yrs ago guys made more then the tigers and jetstars of today...:{

Guys,

keep the insults down. I am a senior long haul Captain who started life in Aus doing my CPL, also plenty of turboprop experience. I go to Australia often and don't worry I am NOT interested in going there to work.

My point is that Australia is a very very expensive place to live now and make sure you spend a lot of time researching exactly what is being offered and where you could afford to live, etc etc.

Try not to get sucked into the "Aus image" and make a reasoned and calm judgement.

Good luck. :)

p.s. I am British, do not live in the UK and DO have the right to live and work in Aus, so no axe to grind.

Lots of Nay Sayers here! To paraphrase, 3 words! location, location, location! Its a dam nice place, warm and generally friendly. Yes, life is expensive, but its bloody expensive everywhere. As always, do the research. If it looks like what you want, then do it. If not, then don't. Pretty bloody simple really.

High tax and a high cost of living? Try living in Ireland, I see a lot of Aer Arann jockies jumping at this

Maybe others have more specific info and numbers, but my mates from Skywest said the Recruiters were quite disappointed with the quality of the candidates in TLS.

Dont know the details if theyll invest into anyone, but from what im told they will continue to interview in EU... plenty of guys on the ATR here :)

Skywest Interview/Sim Result of
 

Intrigued as to why people have not heard anything since their sim eval/interview,someone I know did it over 2 weeks back and was told he performed very well on the sim.Strange
Know of 4 guys all top ATR drivers waiting after 2 weeks.
Maybe the recruiters were sent to get European crews,but they are reporting something else back to the company in AUS so that they can train AUS guys up.
Perhaps the recruiters are just on a freebie hols in Europe with no intension to recruit.

Skywest
 

Obvious they will train their own guys up back in AUS.
Think about it,3 interviews per day over 2 weeks,nobody taken on despite good standard,the 2 recruitment guys report back to Company" saying standard too low,then they get what they want all AUS guys,fully paid up type ratings.
The 2 guys never intended to recruit Europeans,fact

Be that as it may, does anyone know the actual details of the package they were offering? It was not on ppjn last time i looked!

I know 3 ATR pilots, europeans and even from "continental europe" that have been recruited.
2 already down under, validation and CASA exams in progress.
Third still in Europe, has started his administration process.

Rumour is the company only has approval thus far to employ 4 pilots on 457 visa's. Could be why so few got a 'yes' call.

If this is the case (and I have no idea either way) then it was a pretty expensive trip to Europe for the recruiters. They probably could have provided type ratings for 10 pilots locally for less cost. :*

You may find that they are in TLS anyway with the company picking up aircaft every month, plus they are still using the TLS sim for training.

In regard to 457 visas I think that you will find that it is the government that is going to be the sticking point not the company. Skywest would never have started out on recruiting from Europe if they didn't think it would be cheaper than training local pilots who are not rated. The problem now for them is that the government might not agree that the lack of a type rated pilots constitutes a shortage of suitable pilots and hence may not approve the visas. 457 visas have been a very contentious issue and not just in aviation. I think that there is a snowball's chance in hell of visas being approved for a large number of pilots, no matter how well they performed in their sim check or interview.

Positions available: Captain, First Officer Aircraft: ATR 72-500 and ATR 72-600
Airline Information
4 ATR72-500 and 9 ATR72-600 in command to be delivered till 2014, 1 A320, 9 F100, 8 F50
Routes flown/Type of operation
SkyWest is Western Australia’s largest regional airline, providing scheduled services throughout the state and to Darwin. The airline operates a single international service to Bali, numerous connecting services, and provides regional contract-based and ad hoc charter flights for governmental and corporate clients. SkyWest was awarded an exclusive five-year contract by the state government of Western Australia in January 2011, to operate turboprop aircraft on marginal routes within the region. The airline announced a 10-year alliance with the then Virgin Blue, in January 2011, under which it would, operate new 'Virgin Australia' branded ATR72s on a regional network, starting in October 2011
Base
Brisbane or Canberra
Planned starting date
Immediate
Screening procedure
An interview and a simulator check
Web sites
Western Australia's Leading Regional Airline - Skywest Airlines Skywest Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Canberra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Brisbane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Contract Terms
Contract length
Non-commuting, permanent contract.
Minimum requirements
Captain
 Must hold current and valid Pilot License JAA/FAA  Must hold Valid ATR 42/72 Type Rating  Minimum 2,500 hours of total flying experience  Minimum 500 flying hours on ATR 72-500 as PIC  Minimum ICAO English Level 5
 Valid Class 1 Medical Certificate  Age Limit : 55 years
First Officer
 Hold current and valid Pilot Licenses JAA/FAA  Valid ATR 42/72 Type Rating  Minimum 1,500 hours of total flying experience  Minimum 250 flying hours on ATR 72-500
 Minimum ICAO English Level 5  Valid Class 1 Medical Certificate  Age Limit : 55 years
Working Rotation
28 day roster period with 4 blocks of 2 Days Off (or 3 blocks of 2 Days Off + 3 single days Off)
Annual Leave
42 consecutive days + personal leave attributed according to the length of service in the airline:
Pilot Fees
 Captain 101 134 Australian $ per year
 First Officer 65 737 Australian $ per year
3% salary raise guaranteed after every year of service.
Overtime
Beyond 59 hours of flight time in any 28 day roster period an additional hourly fee shall be paid to the pilot
Length of Service
Additional days
On appointment
5
After 6 months
5
1st anniversary
10
Each year thereafter
15
Benefits
 457 work VISA provided by the airline  Uniform  Various allowances (meal allowance, transport allowance etc.) in addition to the yearly fees.
Local transportation
Provided free of charge.
Travel
ID tickets will be provided to pilots and their dependants, on domestic flights within Australia on Skywest, Qantas or Virgin. A business class ticket will be provided free of charge by the company if the pilot travels internationally for flight training requirements or simulator duties.
Renewal of license
Free of charge in accordance with the airline’s policy.
Loss of license insurance
The airline will provide very attractive loss of license insurance free of charge

FYI
 

Those contemplating these positions should be aware of the following.

For those who are not an Australian citizen (or Australian Permanent Resident), the legal basis for a foreign national being able to work in Australia is a 457 visa. This is a temporary work visa which does not confer permanent Australian residency.

Additionally, the visa is position, type and company specific. Should a person change position or type within the sponsor company the visa is subject to cancellation. Also, if a person should leave the sponsor company for any reason the visa is subject to cancellation.

A person who does not hold a valid visa to be in Australia, or whose visa has been cancelled, must leave Australia or be subject to deportation.

However:

"457 visa holders can convert to Australian permanent residency status. It is common for 457 visa holders to apply for a permanent Australia residents visa with a view to permanently settle in Australia and become Australian citizens."

Not sure about that. I hear they are contracting Southern Cross Aviation (from US) to do the delivery flights.

Shanwick

It is not accurate to imply that a 457 visa can be converted to a permanent resident visa automatically. It cannot.
A person holding a 457 visa, or indeed any person, can apply for permanent residence status and such an application is then judged on it's merits. Or otherwise.

Lots of AER ARANN capt and FOs have already resigned for going to Australia with Skywest/Virgin. :ok:

And when Virgin Australia brings the ATR operation in house, those on 457 visas with Skywest will be out of a job and unable to stay in Australia.

Skywest and the pilot group still haven't agreed on the pay for the ATR so they are still paying the pilots F50 wages. Company is asking the pilot group to give up certain things in order to get a small payrise to fly the ATR.

You only get limited Staff Travel on Virgin Australia flights and you must book a minimum of 14 days in advance.

It is rumoured that they are taking 70 pilots total and it appears that Aer Arann in Ireland are about to loose 25 (mainly captains and very experienced FOs).

It would have been interresting to have some feedbacks from pilots hired by skywest.
Apparently only ETOPS still searching for more ATR pilots, does that mean skywest recruitment policy has changed? :rolleyes: