Easyjet
Hello everyone. Does anybody know when easyjet will be opening up recruitment again for either direct f/o's or ctc cadets? Heard a lot of f/o's were leaving for BA and Emirates so hopefully they may be short.
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There are definitely quite a few leaving, especially now amongst FO's, but think will take a few months of resignations before the recruitment process is planned to begin again. Oh, and Flexi-crew apparently to be abandoned as hugely unpopular.
Good news in a short period of time for the more experienced amongst us I hope. |
Nothing definite to tell you other than the latest roumour I picked up from the training department when I was in the Sim. We are running out of suitable SFO's to promote and next winter we will have to take in direct entry SFO's who will be suitable for command in 6-12 months. This is what the trainers are telling management, so we will have to wait and see happens. Keep the ball in middle and push the needle till autumn and hopefuly a plan will emerge.
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Lots and lots of bloody ctc and oxford cadets in the pool.
And soon, te new MPL holders will fly the orange airbus :yuk: |
Yes somewhere between 50- 70 ( my guess) are leaving or have left. Yes this will probably leave an experience gap between low houred cadet and required new captain. However, easyjets main source of new pilots will continue to be ctc / parc and flexicrew. It's only unpopular with pilots, management love it. Talk of direct entry sfo is prob correct in perhaps a year but it will only be to plug a gap. Don't expect it to be a permanent change unless the exodus to ba etc accelerates massively.
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What are the requirements for internal upgrade in easyjet?
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3000 'factored' hours + jump through hoops.
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Any info regarding EZY Switz.?
It would be apreciated. Thanks in advance |
Ezs are currently holding recruitment sessions for FO's. :=
Most of the british FO's have applied to BA, 2 of us have already handed their resignation letters in. :ok: If I were you, I'd apply to EZY mainline through Parc/Ctc/Oxford, as there is NO TRANSFER from EZS to EZY (I quite like the expression 'Golden Jail':ugh:). Management at EZS is absolutely terrible ! Flexicrew guys at EZY are being given permanent contracts from as little as 500 hours, with a greater possibility to get the base of your choice ! :eek: |
As far as I know we are only intending to continue the policy of employing children to fill the RHS, via CTC/PARC.:yuk:
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Out of interest, I've previously looked at Parc aviation for easy recruitment and never seem to find the link....:confused:
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Flexicrew guys at EZY are being given permanent contracts from as little as 500 hours, with a greater possibility to get the base of your choice ! Management at EZS is absolutely terrible ! |
the panini smell ...so happy I left ..
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SUPERCED
You never miss an opportunity to 'have a go' at easyjet or any other Lo Co. What's your problem? |
Actually it's only the Flexiscrew guys who have been in the company for 18 months or more who will get the permanent contracts. IF the new pay deal is accepted by the workforce. The pay deal clause is in addition I believe, meaning if you last 18 months without applying for one of the perm contracts you will be offered one without having to go through all the hoopla. |
Were can you apply for easyjet?
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The last figure I saw, was that upgraded SFOs had been in the company 4½ years on average before getting an upgrade. This could slow down if no captains leave as expansion is not as violent anymore.
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@ skianyn vannin - do you not remember you were young & new once? Or did you never pass that phase...
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You never miss an opportunity to 'have a go' at easyjet or any other Lo Co.
What's your problem? what ???????? I Spent 3 years there.. |
Binder
Superced has a pop at anything to do with working for a living, he's French don't forget, anything more than 1 flight a week and he's calling in fatigued..... |
Xerox,
I live and work in France for a UK airline. Most of my colleagues are French. The airline will continue to expand in France. A lot of your Countrymen and Women are glad to be employed earning a decent wage with this airline. With their chances of getting into Air France virtually nil they are (on the whole) grateful for the employment...provided by the 'gogols' |
Alright I will take the bait. What a load of cobblers. Do you think a company like ezy would lock itself into an agreement where it can not control it's own recruitment?
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easyJet
So let's get some facts straight. Can somebody shed some light on what's going on at easyjet this summer/autumn. Will easyjet continue to hire cadets from ctc/oaa or will they start recruiting direct entry fo's while they wait for the new orange mpl's? Are there any changes in the the contractor/flexicrew schemes regarding the possibility for a permanent contract. How about bases for newly hired, can you choose base as a flexicrewpilot? Where are you most likely to end up in europe, is it a lottery? Please feel free to pm me.
Many thanks |
Anyone in the mood to shed some info?
Looking fwd to became orange :ok: |
The word on the street, or in the air, is that cadets will continue to be a strong recruitment target for easyJet, but due to SFO updrades/desertions there will be a CAA worrying experience gap in the FO demographic (do I sound too management? - I'm not, I assure you).
There is a belief among trainers that direct entry FOs will be taken on at some point this year, but the numbers are closer to someone else's chest than mine, so I can't offer useful specifics. Experience requirements are likely to be in the range not covered by early year cadets (namely sub 1500 hours) and I suspect a full ATPL will be expected. MPLs, well, this is a very unwelcome turn of events for existing pilots - particularly trainers - and I'm not sure when or if the airline will see its first intake. Finally, due to a little airline set book I have out at the moment, I can not possibly admit to working for easyJet, but I know hundreds that do! Hope this helps |
MPLs, well, this is a very unwelcome turn of events for existing pilots - particularly trainers - and I'm not sure when or if the airline will see its first intake. |
Yes of course.
There is a strong feeling within easyJet that, like BA a few years ago, easyJet pilots should be fully contracted employees and not supplied through agencies or training providers. This has already led to a proposal whereby any cadet, having spent 18 trouble free months at the company will be awarded a permanent contract of employment. Currently cadets work for three years as non employed pilots, no pension, no security, no basic salaray. They are paid only when they fly. After three years they may be offered a permanent contract of employment or they may be sent back to CTC or Parc. They also have the opportunity to apply for permanent jobs as a when available, but they have to pass an easyJet assessment (even though they are already flying the line). The fear at easyJet is that the company wants to make all pilots (eventually) flexi-crew pilots, and this is certainly the way for new FOs in recent times. So the introduction of MPLs was a further step away from populating the right hand seat with permanent employees. With the change of policy, and an apparent softening of approach to the way cadets are treated, perhaps the company will rethink MPls. I don't know, and it's just an opinion which could be wrong. As for the trainers, well they are so overworked with new entrant cadets (which require more training than DEFOs) and command upgrades that the department is at breaking point. It is feared that the introduction of MPLs is hardly going to ease the situation. Finally, it is in no way implied anyone at easyJet, wishes to hold back anyone's career by eliminating cadets. We just want them assimilated into the company after the six month probabtionary period which used to exist. It would also be encouraging for others if the company balanced this cadet intake with DEFOs. Hope this helps. JT |
If these cadets that have been joining EZY have had very little in the way of a package i.e. salary and benefits, have they all been buggering off after gaining sufficient time on type to go to other more 'grown up' airlines? (Granted it is only recently that has been an option.)
I only ask as it seems anathema to pay (for their training) to be abused for the length of time that is being suggested with no chance of a base move closer to home and no job security. Definately not a way to foster an 'Easyjet family' culture, and loyalty. I sincerely hope that the beancounting gypsies that perpetuate this kind of recruitment behaviour get the proverbial bite on the backside they deserve. How are the crewing levels for this summer by the way? Yours with love and kisses. FC :ok: |
Originally Posted by JTONeil
Hope this helps
Based in your opinion, any chance to be called with 2700+ on the bus? Cheers ;) |
Flying Camel
You're right, it's a terrible way to treat people and is an ongoing concern. Cadets have reportedly been leaving in droves, and who can blame them. The problem is easyJet just replace them with more cadets. Crewing levels are supposed to be better than last year, but we have captains riding as safety pilots because there aren't enough FOs. We'll see. IAEDude If the company does recruit DEFOs then I think 2700 hours on the bus will be very attractive to them, but don't expect a quick command, long waiting list already. JT |
If the company does recruit DEFOs then I think 2700 hours on the bus will be very attractive to them, but don't expect a quick command, long waiting list already. We are running out of suitable SFO's to promote and next winter we will have to take in direct entry SFO's who will be suitable for command in 6-12 months. Cheers. |
Anyone see the article listed in BALPA's newsletter, regarding EZY and the desire to improve industrial relations with Flight Crew.....okay, doesn't directly mention anything about starting to recruit Direct Entry FO's or Capt.'s etc., but at least they're recognising there is a problem that requires addressing....sounds a little like Carolyn McCall knows a thing or two......i'm impressed anyway, fair play to her, hope it works well for EZY guys and gals.
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Yes, I concede, my pessimism regarding command time was a little out of date. My latest info agrees with the other post in that easyJet will almost certainly have finished off the SFO command waiting list by the end of the year. DEFOs may well enjoy a short time to command.
JT |
Hi,
I have just counted the names on the command waiting list and there are 97 as of last month, without massive expansion or lots of captains leaving, this should keep them going for sometime? There may be other f/o s not on the list yet. There have been some nice emails from management recently about improving pilot conditions, but they said that last year as well. Most of us would like to see a return to mixed F/O recruitment (experienced and cadets) we can all speculate about this, but only management know what contracts/agreements etc they have with CTC. They would probably look for DEC rather than experienced F/Os if they were running short of candidates for promotion? The chap with 2700 on the bus could join through flexi-crew but unless you are unemployed at present, this would probably not interest you. |
This is a Rumour Network after all, but i hear that they plan another few command courses in Nov/Dec/Jan then that's it. No more expansion and the numbers should be sufficient. Might be a long wait to command if you're not on the list.
At the end of the day, only the Ops director knows.. Orange life hopefully getting better, slowly. |
orange life is just crap
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This is a Rumour Network after all, but i hear that they plan another few command courses in Nov/Dec/Jan then that's it. No more expansion and the numbers should be sufficient. Might be a long wait to command if you're not on the list. Edited to add: Ignore superced. |
Originally Posted by FatFlyer
The chap with 2700 on the bus could join through flexi-crew but unless you are unemployed at present, this would probably not interest you.
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Definately not a way to foster an 'Easyjet family' culture, and loyalty. "Culture" in Easyjet is an oxymoron, and not so very long ago in a seminar with a couple of score of aircrew present one of the most senior execs answered a question regarding the nurtuing of loyalty with the staggering statement "If I wanted loyalty I'd get a dog". Culture? Go figure. :ugh: |
But he's been sent to spend more time in walking his dog. :D And there is a whiff of change in the air.
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