Incorrect. In 2000 the Armed Forces allowed men and women to join who openly identified themselves as homosexual.

Mr Rice is playing a joke on us.

I can't believe we have fallen for it. It's a windup.:rolleyes:


I should have realised earlier, with hindsight. Nobody is really that much of a ****, no matter how much daddy didn't pay them attention.

The Maths
 

In the year 2000 you were allowed to join the armed forces as a homosexual person.

Then given a cut of age for entry to the MOD as a pilot of 24 years for the RAF and 26 years for the RN the oldest age of a serving homosexual serviceman pilot is 35 years for the RAF and 36 for the RN.

So QED if you are homosexual and aged over 35 /36 you cannot be recruited into a service pilot only managed entry scheme into a civilian airline.

Hence indirect discrimination.

Paul, you may be a 40-something, native Polynesian Zoroastrian tranny, and a fine pilot too I'm sure, and you will still be able to apply for a job with BA through currently advertised channels. Your problem will most likely be with the psych testing but good luck anyway.;)

Torque Tonight
 

What were looking for on here is a debate on fact focusing on what is right not who is right. Personally abusive comments are inappropriate.

My last post was incorrect.

If a homosexual person could have joined the armed forces in 2000 and the cut off age for entry as a pilot into the RAF was 24 years and for the RN as a pilot 26 years, then the oldest possble age for a serving armed forces homosexual pilot currently is 35 years for the RAF and 37 for the RN and not36 as I previously said.

It still stands therfore that having a pilot entry scheme for non type rated and non qualified ( differently qualified ) service pilots only prevents homosexual pilots aged over 35 / 37 years from applying.

This managed entry scheme seems discriminatory on the basis of Race, Gender, Sexuality and Age.

The company in question respects/encourages diversity so I very much doubt that the scheme has been setup in such a way to be discriminatory to anyone.

Shiny

Paul has already done the "I will pretend to be a whingeing child of the litigation society, that will get a bite" thing.

We won't fall for it twice...........

I am not sure that BA can be held responsible for the recruitment policies of another company - in this case the MOD. BA have an agreed policy with the MOD that allows them a managed path from the military into BA, BA do not decide whether they are homosexual or otherwise. Indeed BA is extremely diverse in it's hiring policies and attempting to suggest that a company like BA is somehow being discriminatory against those who are homosexual is likely to be laughed out of court. BA will be able to parade hundreds of gay staff in front of the court to disprove this obviously erroneous thinking. BA bizarrely enough only care that you can fly well and have the other attributes that they consider to be essential in a BA pilot.

As a wind up this has been amusing but not really attached to reality. I think you could pretty much put money on it that if you sue BA for not hiring you they will have a watertight defence. Good luck thinking that sueing a company into hiring you is a smart thing.

My god, it's spreading!
Virgin is at it now too!

Tourist
 

I thought the managed entry scheme itself was the bite. Not our objections to it.

It amazing is it not that a turbo prop Captain with Fly Be who has already passed the BA selection tests is booted out of the hold pool in favour of a service pilot candiate who as yet may not hold a licence and has no commercial experiance what so ever.

Now it is completely lawfull to discrimante against anybody on any grounds providing a law has not been passed preventing you from doing so.

So initially it would seem completely legal to discriminate against highly experianced civilian pilots in favour of relatively inexperianced unqualified (differently qualified service pilots ) if thats what you want to do with your train set.

However you are not permitted in the civilain world to discriminate on the grounds of Race, Gender, Age, Sexuality and Disability amongst other things .

But the MOD under cover of Crown Immunity has done all of the above in the past and continues to discriminate on the basis of Race, Disability and Age today.

Therefore any selection route into a civilain company which allows only service pilots to apply is arguably indirectly discriminatory. The direct discrimination was carried out lawfully by MOD using Crown Immunity but it may not be lawful to carry this discrimination onwards into a civilain company by using a recruiting scheme limited to service pilots only.

I think the best bet is to bring the scheme to the attention of BALPA and let them take a view on it.

I think you are right.
Best we get right on it:rolleyes:

Crack on. Didn't BALPA have an input in setting up this scheme?

Care to explain how the MoD racially discriminates? Once again I think you are confusing race and nationality, but by now I'm losing the ability to care.

Your interpretation, albeit very warped.

No, they are not positively seeking, they are opening up recruitment to Service pilots AFTER having recruited TR pilots. And let's face it, if they didn't, under your rules, they would be being discriminated against.

Clearly not a military chap as you are flogging a dead horse and you can't spell.

I think Paul Rice is chuckling to himself (when I say "he" I do not mean to make any assumptions about his/hers sexuality, orientation etc;)).

Having had a crack at BA many years ago I have to say the selection process was conducted with impeccable fairness. From what I have seen, having met lots of crews around the bazaars, they have certainly recruited a wide range in terms of ethnic origin. Purely as a guess I imagine they have one of the most diverse pilot work forces around. Credit where it's due.

Although I'm told you mustn't bid for Joburg unless you play golf....

ps best of luck to any ex, or soon to be ex mil, guys by the way.

From what I was told during the selection process, the recruitment team are geared up to recruit a huge number of pilots into the company over the next few years. The most consistent number I heard was around 200 a year for the next 4-5 years. Thats a lot of people. They also said their aim was to recruit from a "broad spectrum" of experience levels. They have taken the logical step of initially recruiting pilots with previous experience on a/c that BA currently operate to get the new recruits on the line as quickly as possible. Next in the queue are ex-mil guys, and I am almost certain that over the next 12 months the recruitment drive will open up to SSP guys and non-rated DEPs. This was the expectation of the recruitment team. Training capacity is an issue, even with the resources on offer at Cranebank.

Just be glad that BA are not going down the route of ezy and FR as it would be incredibly ahem, "easy" for them to do so, and that would really start to distort the marketplace for UK based pilots.

What about the selection the RAF pilots went through to join the RAF. Was that discriminatory?

discrimination?? that made me laugh! try applying to KLM....oh sorry you cant! as only those who attended the KLM flight academy or the Dutch military can apply! Or perhaps Air France? Iberia? BA do not discriminate! Sometimes i wish they did as their European counterparts blatantly do and give preference to their own nationals.

Hmmmm... guess that puts a damper on the P2F mode then. :hmm:

Paul, your maths doesn't take into account, re-treads from other branches (including nav crossovers etc), transferees from the RNZAF fast jet community, or quite simply those who didn't view their sexuality to be an issue pre or post-2000. Your legal argument holds no water and you're flogging a dead horse (no discrimination implied towards fans of bestiality, necrophilia or Max Mosley).

However your irritating habit of spelling experience as 'experiance' may see your application subject to discrimination on grounds of functioning illiteracy and nasal-voiced, whining self pity.

SK (former RAF choppee and put-upon turbo-prop pilot).

Is this a wind up? Seriously? I suppose there are enough whingeing guardian readers clogging up the courts to suggest that people do realy think like this, but seriously, get a life.
The bbc are already banging on about BA's security questionairre being 'discriminatory' coz it asks wether you had time off to have children in the last 5 years. thats part of "five years of continuous references" you cretins.

Get a life people. Stand up on your own 2 feet or bugger off. Stop crying 'discrimination' every time something doesn't go your way. Or go and live in the middle / far east or africa and find out what reall discrimination is really like. :rolleyes: