RYR Company ID's
 

Hi all, would like to know numbers on how many people are actually going, or who have already got, one of these ID's? I know they are a complete scam so please don't moan on about this, or if anyone has emailed BRK and told them to stick and what response they have got from them please?

Any help appreciated, cheers

Lots of info on the REPA web site.

REPA - Ryanair European Pilots' Association

Ryanair ID = Ryanair Employee

as far as Im concerned, and too the Revenue for that matter !

well done DD and all at Brookfield, you really dropped the ball there !
you dont have a leg to stand on now

Anyone interested in this issue should log onto REPA
There is a movement happening here all you have to do is join the que express your dissatisfaction with this.There is strength in our numbers.

Everyone interested in this please go to the REPA site and register yourself!!

It seems that we are starting to stand together and things are happening!!!:ok:

No one I know is going to get one. Seems to be the same story on REPA. I'm looking forward to what the reaction to this is going to be from Brookfield/Ryanair...

its all on REPA web, many communications and organisation come join the fun :ok:

does that mean when the shiny new plastic tag turns up in snail mail its accompanied by some freshly printed, nicely folded paper with the words
Ryanair Contract of Employment crayoned across the top?


oh...no i doesnt:}

out of interest has anyone ever tried geting a mortgage or any finncial credit service by explaining that you are a pilot who is self employed, who is also the director and sole employee of a Ltd "consultancy" that subcontracts skills to airlines but is contractually bound to only fly for one airline that does not gurantee hours.:oh:

I agree with Alpagueur320, it is possible to obtain a mortgage with the Brookfield contract, I did back in November. However, it does have a lot to do with your bank and how willing they are to 'see through' your circumstances. Anyway, this is what they call thread creep isnt it....

Incest! No thank you, Not Interested
 

Thinking about DDs amazing blunder a while back in getting all Brookies to sign up to Ryanair ID, (so we not employees? I see, DD , what planet are u living on)

As we know they want BRK pilots to go through Ryanairs Sister Company St. James, of course they do...


WELL, screw St. James and get your disclosure off Scottish Closure
If Ryanair or Brookfield object to this, this is, (if it is any way needed in the first place), proves they just want to milk all the pilots for every cent they got!

I would be more happy paying Scottish Disclosure for a 10 Year Back ground check, rather than keeping MOL/Brookfields MONEY within the family that is Ryanair.....


Good Luck Guys

@Highlow:

This time round you have to obtain your Disclosure Scotland document yourself anyway.

Err, thanks for that mikehotel152

Also your previous point which you've now edited from your post about it costing the same whether you go through st james or disclosure scotland rather missed the point too.....

Dont buy an ID card.

Why the sarcasm warpspeedmrsulu? I'm all in favour of people taking a stance against obtaining worthless Company IDs, but Highlow was advocating action which is no different from what St James want you to do. How is that a protest?

As for the edit I made to my original response, I made the change because my original post could be shortened without losing its meaning. What's your point?

Who in Ryanair did a deal with Spanish and Portugese airports to open bases bringing them lots of money and then treats Ryanair crew like crap - by not accepting ID's?

Who actually runs Ryanair in Spain - no one seems to know? Why does no other airline have ID hassles except Ryanair?

So why are Ryanair taking this crap from airports in two bankrupt countries?

Talking about bankrupt countries:Ireland requests billions in euro loans from EU - CNN.com

Spain bankrupt ???
I actually hear you guys in EI not doing very good either.

Maybe the Portuguese and Spanish Authorities are getting feed up of you guys showing to work with phoney expired and landside Id`s from airports in the middle of nowhere who nobody knows.

Taking crap: why don't just Ryanair threat Portugal and Spain to close all operations and bases just like they did with MRS. Could it be because they are becoming a huge part of all their revenues???

Go and find a job in a proper company who pays and issues Id´s for their employees just like everyone else. Oh! I almost forgot: food, water, uniforms, pension, insurance, holidays and respect.

No wonder why this profession is heading this way. Pilots like you taking it up the a.. deeply and hard with a smile on your face. Don't you worry mate MOL loves you.

:) :O

That's a bit harsh Jedy. Don't forget that you once wanted to join Ryanair and said of the company:-

I'm only pointing out your hypocracy because you just made an undeserved personal attack on Ryanair pilots, many of whom are great people who wanted the same as you did when they joined Ryanair.

RYRpilotSTN implied this affair is only for RYR? Is this true? What about ez guys and BA night-stopping crews? If only RYR then surely illegal. In any case, within EU I thought it was all a family. Everyone accepts JAA & non JAA licences, driving licences, etc.etc. Surely it is incumbent upon member states to accept each others airport ID's. Each has been through a security back-ground check in the resident state. What extra does a 'company' ID offer? What's the truth, and what sparked this in the first place?
RYR usually blow a fuse over these things. they are quiet now; why??

what he said.

Fair Post RAT,

could any other operators please confirm what kind of ID's they use at these Spanish bases? or maybe confirm the procedure they use to pass airport security

this stinks of a SCAM on Ryr part,
and alot of the guys are having none of it

To be honest if your curious about this ID sign up to REPA find the ID poll and see what it says there.....listening to people from outside the the company might be interesting but it is not necessarily fact......sign up to REPA and see for yourself what your colleagues are doing about it and maybe for a change we could have a bit of unity!

For those who don't know the website click on the link below.


http://www.repaweb.org/

I won't start going on about what a ridiculous situation this is for RYR pilots, you're all well aware of that fact.

Here's a couple of things that might clarify the situation in regards to ID's and some of the points on here so far.

1) You should be able to offset the cost against your tax bill. Not all of it of course, but it's a start.

2) Being a contractor doesn't stop you getting a mortgage. If you've been a contractor for more than 2 years and have been working regularly in that period, you will invariably be counted as a permanent member of staff by the mortgage company and so your employment status is irrelevant. If under 2 years, then you can usually get 3-4 times the value of the contract as a mortgage. So, if you have a one year contract and can prove how much you'll flying you'll get, then there's no problem.

3) I never quite understand the problem with being a contractor. Alright it's a bit less stable than being a full-time employee, but financially it makes a massive amount of sense. Especially in regards to your take home pay. After contracting, it's very, very hard to go back to being a full-timer unless you get a mahoosive pay increase. You just need to set yourself up properly and be disciplined with your accounting, but you should be able to keep a huge amount more of your pay than a full-timer.

4) Having a company I.D means naff all in regard to your employment status.

5) Just be thankful that they aren't asking you to get a BAA pass out of your own pocket, they really are silly money.

6) RYR are taking the proverbial with this.

Highlow,
To answer your question I pass through said airports with a UK airport ID and have never had a problem.

I have 2 years accounts and a very helpful accountant and I cannot get a mortgage!! The uk Market will not allow it because of the fragile nature of the lending Market.

I am a professional person and I will be working hard to achieve recognition or to leave for a proper company!!

It's a joke!!

Change your accountant! In fact why ask an accountant for mortgage advice in the first place? Just talk to a proper broker and you'll find something.

I had no issues whatsoever, even with less than 2 years as a contractor.

There's even a website to help. Contractor Mortgages - Mortgages On Your Contract Rate Alone! - Contractor Mortgage | Mortgages for Contractors | IT Contractor Mortgages | IT Contractor Mortgage | C&F Mortgages | C & F Mortgages | C and F Mortgages | Contractor & Freelancer Mortgag

say again slowly,

most of the almost 2000 BRK contractors aren't English citizens and do not reside in the UK; getting a mortgage with a dodgy BRK contract in most European countries is close to impossible.

The BRK scam stretches far beyond Bishop Stortford and countries like Germany ,Italy,Norway and Spain have already launched official investigations into it.

Without trying to start a massive argument, in what way is it dodgy?

Usually as long as you can prove the length of contract and the payments then away you go, even if you are paid from a different EU country than the one you reside in.

In regards to British crews, I'm guessing all of them have Ltd's here in the UK?

No, all joiners in the last 18 months have Irish Ltd companies.

Why's that? Is it forced on them by RYR/BRK? If so, that's monumentally hooky.

In fact even this bloke wouldn't touch it.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-imag.../25/del460.jpg

I have tried twice, both times through an IFA and the result was the same, im too great a risk and the underwriters wont accept my pay.

Simple

This thread is now well off topic, but yes, I sat down with an IFA, a good friend of a good friend, with a stack of paperwork this high, and had the expected conversation, ending with something like:
" So, who pays you again? "
" I do "
"And who is ****ltd ?"
" Me "
" And how does the cash get from RYR to BRK to CXC/MAC to ****ltd to you?"
" I have no idea.."
" Nobody is going to lend you the price of a cuppa, mate..."
So I went to a well known high street bank and the conversation went:
" Yes, well you have a reasonable income. Not as high as we'd expect from an airline pilot..."
" Tell me about it."
"...but I think we can make you an offer."
Two weeks later, it was a done deal. It is possible.
Back to the thread topic, I am looking forward to enjoying my newly defined employee status as owner (?) of shiny new company ID!!

Haha, I once made my own salary slips, went to a bank and got a 300.000 Euro mortgage!:}

Hmmm thats not clever, thats Fraud.....

So are the brk contracts, when they own up i guess he will lol

There's a new clause in the new Brookfield contracts that forces new joiners to participate in the Irish ltd. scam.

Wowsers.

In that case, that is incredibly dodgy. The whole point of being self employed is that you take responsibility for your own affairs. If you aren't able to do that, then you get all the negatives of being self employed without the positives.

Wouldn't touch that with a barge pole.

Agreed,

It needs to be pointed out that there is no one Brookfield contract. Some are on older more lucrative contracts. But all new joiners, FO and Captain alike, are now forced on the Irish system.

But every cloud has a silver lining...

...Like the two newly upgraded Captains who walked out without fulfilling notice to take places on an OCC course of another well known and expanding 737 operator. You have a 5K CU training bond to honour, a 3 month notice requirement.....ahhh..ok, you have a Brookfield Contract. Best of luck then. Anyone else heard that one?

this is true but i can guarantee you that DD and the other low life scum bags will get greedy again and make sure anybody changing base etc will have to sign a new contract. mark my words, these boys are scum of the earth and will do anything to get more money from brk pilots.

As they keep saying when I ask for something "its not a contract.....its a set of guidelines", well that works both ways :p