BA Cityflyer
 

As a New thread has anyone had an interview with BAcityflyer on the latest round of recruitment?

If so I would be very grateful for any feedback either via PM or reply?

Regards

MAB :ok::ok:

Try reading the BA Cityflyer thread on page 3 of T&E, last post 17 Nov.

Regards

Thanks Binsleepen,

Ive been through it and it just turned into a slanging match really.

No one has actually written anything regarding the Interview Process.

MAB :ok:

Airbus 38,

Thankyou that will be a great help, sorry to hear the outcome was not a positive one.

:ok::ok::ok:

MAB

I would rather pay for my own type rating and fly for RYR than go through that ridiculous process! (Not planning to do either)

Couldn't agree more proceeding outbound,

these 'trendy' selection days are excellent at forcing people to bull**** non-stop for 8 hours straight.

An overstaffed HR department desperately trying to justify their position?

Or perhaps I am as cynical as Mrs EK4457 says! Who knows......

5 rings, as I said I don't plan to do either, just a comment about a largely pointless process (my opinion only, not fact). Judging by the previous post about this airline it's debatable whether this is in fact a "proper job" - it's all relative!

The jobs all yours mate - no aviation experience required.:\

No plan to leave my current gig.

Best of luck with the job hunt...

For those that are interested here are some numbers about the last selection process:

Over 1500 applications
32 Interviewed
16 Selected for simulator assessment
8 Starting a course in Jan

Further interviews and selection planned for January for the future courses and to create a holding pool.
I would presume it would be from those whose details were held for future, not those with a PFO email.

RJ.

I was thinking of investing in some technical manuals to brush up on possible interview questions next year.

Gonna buy a sharp pin striped suit and get me hair done instead.

VFE.

I agree it sounds like a pretty ridiculous assessment, but BA and FR in the same context, certainly not a comparison, in my book anyway, but I guess thats why I we all have our own opinions.

Interesting thread - but if you want a job then you have to prepare for it and jump through their hoops. That's their test of your DETERMINATION.
Conflict resolution questions? Evidence of your FLEXIBILITY and ADAPTABILITY.
This is what they are looking for - they know you can fly an aeroplane and the sim check is there to just confirm that but mainly to make sure you fit into THEIR environment. Call it HR bull**** if you want, but both BA and CF seem to have recruited pretty good people over the years. Ryanair (speaking from experience) will recruit anyone with the cash. Who do you want to sit next to on the flightdeck?
If people can't be arsed to do as much preparation as possible to jump through the hoops, then to a company like BA, it shows that you don't really want the job anyway. So if you do, then suck it up and get on with it.

Can anyone confirm wether the assessment day was the same for DEC's as F'O's. Ie mixed sessions?

Yep, identical process for both assessment day and sim session.

Was an even mix of DEC there as well.

Perhaps it's appeared in error, but on the BACF vacancies page they are once again looking for F/o's and Direct Entry Skippers. Seems strange given the response they got only a couple of months ago. Closing date 21st Dec 2010!!!

It was also on aviationjobsearch, too. Anyone at BACF care to verify if there is another trawl for crew?:confused:

See my post on the previous page.

It does looks like they are not just selecting from the last application round.

I didn't get an interview when applied last time. Didn't keep the email I got so not sure if it was PFO or "keeping your details for future" etc

Just went on website and clicked on current FO job vacancy (closes 21 Dec 2010) and it is showing they already have an application from me.

So maybe all hope is not lost. Would absolutely love to fly for them out of LCY not far from where I live.

Told first hand anyone with less than 1000 hours and over 3500 hours had their applications round filed (RHS), not sure about the DEC cut off points. Problem is it's a employers job market right now, 1500 applicants for 8 positions, afraid that means they pick and choose.

Atreyu

Well me is between the two. Here's hoping!

Another ad for DECs posted 23 December on Av Jobs Search but nothing on the CF careers page as far as I can see.:confused:

They appear to be interviewing again in feb. Don't know if this is just DEC or FO as well.

Anyone have any feedback from the interviews that have taken place in Jan?

How many are going for interview in February? 2nd, 3rd and 4th....

Anyone want to clarify if its for DEC only? :confused:

Cheers

Airbus38

Having participated in one of these group exercises once before I couldn't agree more. Charade and Willy waving contest is an understatement.

Just been called for interview....nice way to start the day (in USA)

Looking at ppjn looks like basic FO salary is 35k - about £2100/month net.

Anyone with them right now that can conform average take home, and hours per month? Seems pretty low if I'm honest.

yep that is the right figure, and yep that is low. cityflyer is the pits when it comes to pay. if it is your only option, go for it. otherwise maybe hold out and see what else pops up this year. good luck if you take it

cityflyer is the pits...??!! Try working for flybe mate!!!

Anyone knows whether you need to re-apply or just sit and wait in case there is a 2nd round of interviews (F/Os)?

Have a nice WE

PZ :ok:

I believe FlyBe's payscales are slightly higher than ours. for jets that is.

Hi

Did anyone get a call from BACF inviting them for an interview, and have a bit of a delaying receiving the email they said they'd send?

Was called Friday morning, nothing received from them yet - interview suppose to be in a few weeks.

Thanks
VJW

Just to confirm, BACF jet skip on roughly same as Flybe TP skip.

You know, regarding the Willy Waving mentioned here....

I've been involved with interview processes on the other side of the table before (though granted never for aviation) and I can see where they're coming from, believe it or not.

It's not just a "When I say jump, how high can you go?" situation, they clearly want to be able to judge your character, your management and CRM skills, communication skills, planning, leadership qualities, all on factors of which you (quite likely) will have no experience about. And lets face it - the situations that have ever had us sweating the most in the air is when something you've never trained for happens.

So how can a company test these qualities without going over ground that you most likely have already covered? They don't want to know how well you can apply SOPs, they want to know how well these qualities are ingrained in you.

Now, granted, it probably feels quite a stupid thing to do when you're there doing it, but there are definitely valid reasons for it.

Complete tosh..................................

When I interviewed for a position as ATR DEC in the original CityFlyer (Gatwick based franchise of BA before big, bad Airways bought us and merged us - then spat out the AOC that is now the subject of this thread) in 1998, the interview was with Flight Ops fellah BH and an ex-pilot JK who was also co-founder of CFE. No HR bollox, if they liked you - to the sim for a 40 min check ride on 737 and I got the nod as I came out of the box.

No sign of HR anywhere! And guess what? All the guys and gals were first rate to fly with - all could communicate, fly, think, manage, plan, lead. (ok, 99% but that's better then pilots I've worked with who have been recruited by HR - FACT) And all the emergencies were dealt with pretty well when they happened - which was of course rarely!

The only HR hoop I was willing to jump through was EK - just so I could get out of BA:E:E:E

Great post White K! So true..Left BACF in 2007 unfortunately lost my job in 2009 and for some reason on my interview with QR DEC no HR person available in my group..so just a chat with two Training Captains and following the sim check got the nod ;) So not far from you now..!! You are not the only one leaving BA mainline for the desert..
HR mostly waste of space unfortunately and overated kinda reminds me Health and safety in general going over the top in daily life back hame..Back to Basics will be refreshing one day. Less Bool888it :O

Het Capt Pulitov - good for you and best of luck at the 'Goat':ok::ok:

@White Knight: I didn't say that I agreed with the concept, just stating where they're coming from....

I can really see the advantage to pilots being interviewed by other pilots, with no HR around to justify their own existence, I really can. But I can also see that these days there's a plethora of freshly trained fATPL's out there trying to get a job and someone has to decide which few get in.

How would you try to examine those essential piloting skills (and I don't mean the trained skills, I mean the intrinsic qualities that make a bloody good pilot)? How would you separate the trained responses and techniques from the built-in common-sense?

(By the way, I don't work as HR, never bloody will thank you very much...but I would like to simply play devil's advocate and at least demonstrate why they do what they do. "Does it work?" is a completely different question.....)

Using pilots with examining experience and qualifications.

Simples!

EK

And therein lies an inherent problem. By using pilots to examine candidates for those intrinsic skills, you run the risk of naturally biasing the information gathered. I'm not saying that properly trained and qualified pilots can't be unbiased, but if what you are trying to find is more of a personal attribute rather than a flying skill per se, then I could see the possibility of a subject specialist becoming biased in their appraisals.

That said, you sure as hell wouldn't want HR to sit with you in a sim check!

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Ok, can anyone pass on info on rosters; mostly day trips or maybe some overnights??

Relocating could be an expensive business around there..