Cityjet Loosing Money
 

Firstly please note that these are the financial figures for the year to 31 March 2008. It really is poor that they have taken nearly 10 months to get their figures out for a financially-uncomplicated organisation. That means they reflect a period wholly before any of the economic downturn that has occurred in more recent times, and which has hit their base at London City harder than most.

It also covers the period of the replacement of the old (and cheap) 146 fleet with the somewhat-newer Avro RJ fleet, which will have many one-off additional costs, along with merging in the old Scot Airways operations and other structural changes to the business. It doesn't form much of a basis for ongoing comparison. I'd like to have a look at ther balance sheets and cash position before making much of it.

And never forget that AF are masters at putting franchise companies out of business.

I have friends in cityjet they are not happy at all. salary and managment is ****.

Disagree, money is very good. Like any other airline, if you keep your head down and do your job correctly, then you'll avoid the management radar.

Are Cityjet pilots still being paid Euros in LCY, if so how does that work with the tax people.

I agree with NoSpeed,
like every airline, do your job as best as you can, keep below the parapit, and enjoy flying from HMS London City.
Yes, we get paid in Euros at the mo but we are all grown men/women who can sort out our own tax affairs.
Don't listen to the "my mate says.." comments. everyone is entitled to an opinion, but usually its just bar/beer talk.

Stop the whingeing, and enjoy the job. Its the best in the world!!!!

That message is far to up beat for PPrune!! :ok:

in this topic we have find at leest 2 ass suckers: no speed and brownstone.

i am sorry my friends but cityjet do pay ****: around 2000 euros per month only for a FO!!!!
Of course if you don't take hollyday and you willin to spend 20 nights a month in a hotel at charles de gaule or birmingaham or edingburd, you will increase you **** salary but decrease you poor lifestyle.
:oh:

Advice to sunseasex's friends at cityjet...

If not happy, resign, and work somewhere else.

End of message.

I know they serve Birmingham and Edinburgh but it is great to see further expansion in times like this. I hope that they start flying to Dudlin and Zurick soon! :}

seasexsun... you obviously have some grudge against CityJet but just get over it. Anyway in times like this I thought you had to be grateful to have a job - perhaps a reality check is needed? I can assure you there are hundreds of airlines that are losing money like CityJet, so they are not on their own! Before you bite back - I don't work for CityJet! ;)

seasexsun, youre obviously an SO then with that salary. Fresh from school and already moaning. We've all done our time on our first job and worked our way up. Perhaps next time we fly together you can tell me what went wrong in your choice of job?!?

Outbreak of moral!!
 

Yep FlyingTinCans,

it's a radical thing to say but I'm loving my job. Surely it won't catch on...

SSS, get the facts straight.

First year Second Officer salary at Cityjet: E24,833

Average monthly allowances:approx E1200

Gross yearly income=39233E which is £36000 at the mo!!

For a first job, year 1, in a jet?? You don't know you are born!!

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Stop your whinging and enjoy your job..

But he does not even work for you guys!!!

SSS, why do people like you come on here and moan and complain about companies they do not even work for?!
Cityjet is a great company, investing in their aircraft, route and staff. Their main losses in the previous year, if you read the article, or know anything about Cityjet, are due to their expanding their LCY base and buying a brand new fleet of aircraft!
The salary is comparable to any other airline and paying the LCY staff in euros has its benefits since they pay irish tax (and not on their sector pay) which makes it substantially less than what they would pay in UK tax
I used to use this site to gain information on airlines but people seem to just come on now and write bad stuff when they don't even know what they are talking about.
As for your comments on overnights, this is something you will find you have to deal with as a pilot and to be honest, its a good experience to work out of different airports
You give the impression you think you are too good for a company like Cityjet? I would like to know what exactly you are hoping for - your own private gold plated jet which you only have to fly once a month, if you feel like it?
My advice would be grow up and stop writing bad comments on airlines you don't work for based on your 'friends' opinions!

Because the Avro is a jet airplane? :}:}:}:}

**** pay, **** roster, **** salary, **** atmosphere with cabin crew, **** airplane (or moped), **** base, **** captains, sit rostering, **** financial situation...
Some captains are sent back to as first officer .

Guys cityjet is not good anymor for Airfrance!

I don't work for them, and have never applied (I am on B737 in my sunny country)... but I do have 2 friends there and they reely hate it.

Yeah I know he doesn't but spreading dis-information around
needs to be addressed. Hopefully he's happy in the airline he flies for!!

Or is it a supermarket??

They only spent 5 million on the advertising/development on LCY. and be honest, AF paid for the Aircraft , 220 Million - Cityjet have never had that in the bank ever....Their main passengers are bankers and business people in the biggest recession in what 20 years.... GWhite said in an interview that their passengers would just buy ecomony instead of business...but their passengers don't choose who they fly with...if the finances get worse the Travel departments of their pax will tighten their belts.

Their losses announced so far where in the March 08 results...wait til the March 09 results come out..The redundancies in Jan were just the start. They have already gone to 2 cabin crew instead of 3...routes will be next...

Mover shaker :D:D

I'm joining Cityjet in a few weeks and everyone I've spoken to so far who works for them is more than happy and I can't wait to get started!

**** pay, **** roster, **** salary, **** atmosphere with cabin crew, **** airplane (or moped), **** base, **** captains, sit rostering, **** financial situation...

SSS I'm only SLF but what captain would want you in a demanding situation?

Hey Chips101, good one, hit the nail on the head, but he does make me laugh tho':)
this guy really should be in a home somewhere.

Rubymurray, welcome aboard!! I think you'll love Cityjet as much as me, the groundschool/training is as hard and demanding as anywhere else, you've got to put the bookwork in, but once signed off the flying is great. You'll love flying the
RJ.
:ok:

sexseasun... are you seriously saying that Swiftair is a better company than Cityjet? :} Now remind me - which major airline owns Swiftair again.....???

Yes an old 737-300 freighter fleet that is nearly 20 years old and double the age of CityJet's RJ85 machines - need I say any more? :ok:

I don't mind someone taking the pi55 out of an airline but for someone from a mickey mouse ACMI airline to slate Cityjet is just laughable really! Chip on the shoulder or what? :E

A personal matter
 

Hi everyone!

don't even waste your time with this character, he's got a serious problem with wx, he's just started this thread to create controversy. I don't know...he says he's never applied to...hmmm :hmm: well then his girlfriend cheated him with a wx pilot?:} the thing is that as somebody said the guy is so proud of working for a 3rd class cargo co, having paid more than one tr (if it's true that he's in the 37) and flying in who knows what conditions (parrot on the shoulder) that he feels sorry for us, poor wx employees! why don't you tell us about your salary or your roster? then perhaps we'd understand why you consider wx such a sh**. otherwise do us a favour: get lost!:=

thanks mate!

PS: now you can carry on with your limited collection of nice words!:ok:

Rubymurray,
Read what u want but you must make up your own mind.I was with Cityjet and left for all the right reasons for me.
I know all jobs are different and not all will suit every individual but one that someone else hates maybe your dream job.
I wont promote or deride Cityjet here but if you are looking for a first job,look for yourself dont just accept what you read here.
To balance what I said above I wont be looking to go back but having said that I know people who are very happy there.

For the record...
 

Slightly off thread... but to the guys that are sticking the blade into contract cargo ops...

I've worked for RYR and EZY...I now work for one of the above... It's not everybody's cup of tea I'm sure but I'm far happier being paid 89000 Euros a year, flying 8 - 9 days a month (fixed roster) and doing 25 - 30 hours flying a month. Horses for courses as they say...Oh and most of our FO's want to leave because there is no realistic hope of a LHS but they can't AFFORD to...

BTY, Cityjet is a nice company, with nice people.... so the whinger should bugger off and let someone who would be a bit more grateful ( and a touch more positive to be around) have his seat..:=

First Officers take home 2000 Euro's a month?? Pah I'm a second officer and took double that this month on a 6-3 roster, and never less then around 3300 Euro's. Sure WX isn't perfect but i'm one of many happy LCY based pilots. A loss over the last financial year isn't surprising with a new fleet, a new base, and the acquisition of Scot Airways and VLM. As for 2/2 crew, it maybe to save money but we're just falling into line with our Swiss/BA Cityflyer competitor's who have been doing the same for some time... I'm sure the majority of European operator's are tightening the belt to survive the rough times, WX are hardly unique in this respect.

Some people will always find something to complain about no matter who they work for, but the rest of us just ignore the miserable sods and get on with enjoying the job. :ok:

that is 2000 euros basic, 3300 when you fly like a slave in the avro doing nightsoppings all the time in airport hotels with no food included (that is why you have those allowants). so this is actually a 3300 euros to which you have to spend lot of money for eating in your hotel.
Once again this information come from friends there, and they call this company "****YJET" :ok::ok::}


Mister greeze I saw an AVRO 10 000ft bellow my aircraft last day during cruise, and of course we overtook it very quickely maybe it was one of "****YJET" :eek:

Good luck my friends as soon as the crisis stops you will be able to get of of that ****y airline/airliner..

to seasun and probably no sex,

city may be spelt city, but ****y is actually spelt ****ty.

Neither spelling of the word applies to cityjet.

Fact is, either you are a total prat or your trying (very trying) to be funny..

i will let others decide.

I've already made my own mind up about this fella, and he is about funny as he is literate. 3300 is a bad month, I am on minimum overnights also. Seasexsun if you want to fly chinese rubber dog**** across Europe in an ancient Boeing be my guest. I really didn't want to bite as you're a fairly pathetic guy and deserve sympathy and help, not abuse, but I will bite, get off Cityjet's case and get a life, i'm not surprised your girlfriend cheated on you with one of our pilot's, i'm sure they are a better person then you'll ever be.

I am impressed that you can tell the difference between an Avro RJ and a BAe 146 from 10,000ft! :}

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"A loss over the last financial year isn't surprising with a new fleet, a new base, and the acquisition of Scot Airways and VLM"

unquote.

Scot Airways...surely not...SA is contracted by WX, not owned by WX.

Correct , CityJet for AirFrance by VLM operated by ScotAir. The Commerical Department in CityJet are fooling themselves sometimes thinking that they manage an airline, decisions are made for them.

****tyjet is just a feeder for air france, they has the worse salary and conditions, and future is VLM.

seasexsun, you're right and we're all wrong. How about ending this thread now as its getting a tad silly and pointless. :ugh:

Publically criticising an airline you don't work for and have no first-hand knowledge of... the mark of a true moron.

Probably a spotty know-nothing F/O who got turned down by Cityjet sometime in the past.

sexseasun

How do I apply to ****air (sorry Swiftair). I would love to fly freight around in a really old 737 300.... NOT! :}

sss .... whatever your gripe with the company ... you have a huge attitude problem, demonstrated here and with previous postings.

Life is really too short .. you should get out more :)

We see a lot of airline bashing throughout this forum, predominantly through personal vendettas and bitterness. What still flabbergasts me is to the extent that these so called aviators will criticise aircraft themselves. For the tools that have an issue with BAe146/Avro RJ, could you really design, manufacture and certify an aircraft to such a standard :suspect:. The 146/RJ was built for a specific purpose, which it does extremely well. It is relatively efficient, complies with noise regulations, and for aircraft that stopped production in 2001, there is still no competitor of its size that operates into short airfields and with steep approach paths.

This is the company that brought the world Concorde, the Sea Harrier, and have been involved in the Typhoon and F35.. they are at the cutting edge of aeronautical innovation.. you are a bunch of idiotic simpletons! :E