LGW,

"if a floating happy go lucky contractor can take our permanent jobs then its the end of the line for this industry"

I'm sorry but what makes you think there has been job security in any industry since Maggie moved into no 10?:rolleyes:

FYI all new pilots to RYR are Brookfields, there is no choice. Once you get the offered command then you can buy out of the contract for a full time position within RYR as an option. So, as far as coming in and taking your jobs are concerned, its tosh mate. We are just newbies trying to get in and have to take the new options or consider another more long winded (and more expensive, when you consider the reduced salaries etc of instructing etc for years, route). Got no desire to rid you of a job (if you are a pilot, or even work for RYR).

BTW whoever posted a confidential internal memo := Naughty boy :=

Guys calm down!! The reason that memo came with regards to unpaid leave is that the new aircraft are not coming off the factory line in Seattle. There is a strike right now at Boeing and has caused delays in opening new bases and putting more aircraft in existing bases. Because of this the company is trying to save money by first offering unpaid leave and then as he last resort, assigning unpaid leave. Unfortunate but it does say so in your contract since 2002.

Looks like the Daily Express are keen readers of PPRuNe:

Daily Express | UK News :: Ryanair threatens pilots with unpaid winter leave

Littco - I've heard form a number of different sourses that FR were in the process of instigating paycuts for all employed and Brookfield jocks, but this has been repeatedly denied by those in the know on this forum.

When all is said and done, isn't it better to take a temporary paycut than be laid off?

HW

hi hi implies that FR pilots are unlucky because they don't have a union...

Precisely what would being a union achieve in this situation???

If FR pilots threatened to withdraw their labour, (whatelse would the union suggest??) isn't that precisely what FR want them to do?

I see the memo made it into the papers today,not very re-assuring for the pax reading that!

What newspaper was it in?

daily express,sept 18,page 24.

I still dont understand how the company can force unpaid leave to full time employees when even a single contractor is working within that base on the day (or days) you have been allocated unpaid leave. Are there any legal flying eagles that can clarify UK employment law in this regard. I have a UK addressed contract and it doesnt say anything about unpaid leave. If I was forced to, BALPA would be called in, I guess that's why I pay them £50 per month. Any thoughts or am I a hopeless dreamer?

Regards to all those effected by this, RB311 makes a good point but misses the reason for having a union. Unions don't just threaten to walk out as a default position. A union of Ryan Air Pilots could negotiate at number of unpaid leave positions based on aircraft to remain in service, it might then be in a position to offer this across the FR network, ultimately it might then put in place an exit mechanism for the furloughed pilots that was fair and transparent. less stress, better communication and a nicer place to be. Sadly I suspect this won't happen and with a combination of fear and manipulation those remaining will be a little worse off when its all over, but thats direct negotiation for you.
Rednex, I'm confused perhaps you can help, Ryan Air are parking up airplanes in EGSS and elsewhere but can't open bases because of a Boeing strike? Somewhere, someones not telling the truth.

Thanks pressman, I had previously been informed aircraft were already parked up. good luck to all.

pressman.



News : International Last Updated: Sep 17, 2008 - 1:21:19 PM
Ryanair to provide aircraft to secure the return of stranded holidaymakers after collapse of XL Airways; Low-fares giant warns about booking "flaky, financially stretched airlines

seems ryanair do have spare aircraft available before november. dont be fooled.

are we the dumbest bunch of pilots in the whole world.i cannot believe that some of my colleagues think this is acceptable.i thought this place was low,but i have just seen a pilot assisted new low.accepting unpaid leave and not allowed to work elsewhere.what a bunch of absolute muppets!!!

by the by pressman you are incorrect.there are already planes laid up which could be used for the new bases.the inability to open edinburgh or reus base is an economic decision conveniently blamed on the boeing strike.

Grim thanks for clearing that up. Pressman where did you get your information? Grim, what is that about not being able to work elsewhere? I'm not FR staff and so am aghast at the concept, please tell what brilliant new idea they have come up with. regards C.

No doubt MOL is trying to screw Boeing down on price further hence why there is so much noise about the strike and how it is "supposedly" impacting on his new bases. I would hazard an educated guess and say that the economics of the new bases aren't stacking up so delaying them and potentially screwing a better deal from the operators could be on the cards as well. Either way he isn't short of aircraft hence his ability to miracle aircraft out of thin air to "rescue" the XL punters.

Given that AZ is likely to go under and perhaps one or two others, surely this gives FR opportunities to expand into their markets; can they not ask pilots to transfer to other bases for a certain period, rather than furloughing them over the Winter?

"ask" ? not required as all full time contracts state you can be moved to another base at the companies discretion, and contractors are in same boat.
If you don't want to go wherever that may be. . . . there is the door,available to exit.

Im new enough to Ryanair finished line training a while back and im sick of reading utter nonsense on this page by mostly people who dont fly for FR or who are just part of the USUAL bunch of bashers associated with this site.. RYR pilots and brookfield contractors are still flying and still have a job and a month or 2 unpaid leave is better than having no work at all... think of all the pilots who are out of jobs at this time.. now i wonder what they would prefer?? a month off or no job at all!? The letter states RYR are innundated with other pilots from other airlines fearing for there jobs and im wondering how many are in here bashing?? im wondering (not hoping) if your airline goes bust will you apply for RYR then??? or would you prefer to sit at home all day talking crap about RYR ..no doubt ill fly alot less this winter but who cares once im in a job and im flying every week that i possibly can!!

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well if that does not sum up the entirety of how far the situation has deteriorated in ryanair!for your info newbee,i have over 10 years experience flying in ryanair and i must recommend jiffajaffa for the most brainwashed post of all time.you may be happy to take any old **** you are doled out freshmeat,i am not!what a :mad: dodo!!!the mind boggles.

We are all screwed.