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Forced unpaid leave at ryanair

Old 15th Sep 2008, 22:29
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Forced unpaid leave at ryanair

To: All Pilots

Date: 15th September 2008
Re: Recruitment Freeze
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
We have recently been inundated with applications from pilots whose employers (such as Zoom, Futura and XL) have gone bust in the past few weeks. We are also receiving applications from pilots who fear that their airline may go bankrupt shortly.

Since we already have more than treble the applications we require for our possible future needs we have decided to impose a recruitment freeze with immediate effect (from 15th September) until further notice. This freeze will be reviewed again in early January 2009. Training courses already scheduled for October will be run as planned, however no further recruits will be added
to these courses.

Delayed aircraft deliveries due to the Boeing strike and a close to zero pilot attrition rate in recent months means that we are currently overstaffed in our pilot/flight operations department.We will continue to seek unpaid winter leave applications, particularly at our largest bases,Dublin and Stansted, where our winter base aircraft numbers have been reduced. If we do not receive sufficient applications on/before the end of September, then we will allocate unpaid leave to some Dublin and Stansted based pilots from November onwards.

If you wish to apply for unpaid leave, please contact ***** *****
before the end of September.

As always, even during these extremely difficult times, our focus will be upon maintaining jobs and the security of employment of all our pilots and people.

Best regards
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 23:11
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Well interesting to go out with a public announcement on PPRuNe

Anyway, thanks for info. Just one thing- how do we know this is a real post, and not someone at home with too much spare time and wannabe attitude?

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Old 15th Sep 2008, 23:15
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It's a real post, although I'm not too sure why someone would post up a company internal memo.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 23:22
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Because it's very interesting to almost all of us.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 23:45
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Because its a pilot rumour network..what do you expect on these pages.. sport news?
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 00:53
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And quite what is the point of posting the item in the first place?
Trying to intimate that Ryanair is about to go bust?
Trying to convince us that pilots are getting it in the neck in Ryanair?
I am at a loss as to why you would wish to publicise the fact that Ryanair is doing what any sensible airline would do in the quieter winter months.
For heaven's sake, get some perspective here.
As you obviously work for the company, then pray tell me what you hope to achieve by putting this post here in the first place?
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 06:59
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Ryanair is doing what any sensible airline would do in the quieter winter months.
I'm not aware of any other airline imposing 'unpaid leave' on pilots?

That doesn't mean nobody else is, just that I haven't heard of it.

It certainly doesn't sound like the actions of a 'caring' employer! After all, I thought this was a company with massive cash reserves???

Sounds like a number of pilots are going to to be using some 'cash reserves', in order to excuse MOL from using his!
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 07:02
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Angel Posting about RYR forced leave.

Rubic 101,

Excellent post, thank you for putting things in perspective.

Well done from someone obviously knows what he is talking about---for a change!
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 07:36
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rubik 101

Perhaps just to keep Ryan e mail box and postal box a little clearer?
Makes room for all the Christmas cards they get for keeping pilots in work?
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 07:46
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Why not call it 'being furloughed'? Happens enough in the Western Cousin's land.
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 08:25
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Study leave?
One company I worked for.....
All first officers have unpaid study leave for ATPL exam.
Captains double up in cockpit.
No problems, probably could not do this now in Europe.
Ha! But sometimes there is one Captain that really does not like being in First Officer seat !
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 08:33
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Different companies have different methods of reducing costs when times are hard.

Some years ago the majority of BA Pilots accepted a near 5% annual paycut so that a minority of volunteer pilots could take half pay leave for a few months. (As negotiated by BALPA). A little pain for everyone saves a lot of pain for a few. I don't recall if other groups in BA had the same "deal".
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 08:59
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Assuming the OP is genuine, why does the memo mention job applications and bankrupt airlines in the first paragraph, when the whole thing is about taking leave?

Unless if missed something, it looks to me like a thinly veiled threat. OK late deliveries and a downturn means the company has to do something, so they need the co-operation of the workforce. The tone of the memo seems abrasive.
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 09:27
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Rubik - I don't get it. The post is interesting, even to SLF such as myself. If it's a wind-up then FR's lawyers will have been onto PPRuNe like a shot as they have in the past.

In fairness to FR they're warning the pilots that something may (or may not) happen. The letter explains why. If you reckon the publication of the letter here is trying to intimate that FR is going bust then your logic baffles me. If anything I would say it was the reverse.
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 09:37
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Rubik,

I don't get it either. FR are going to lay off pilots - so all of a sudden no job with no pay (and you have no choice), and this is not of interest?

It is of interest, to pilots considering FR and pilots who work for other airlines whose management may look to FR as some kind of grim role model.

Good luck to those pilots at DUB and STN who may find themselves bereft of any income at Christmas.
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 09:55
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It is no job and no pay but you get job back when good times roll again.
It is not the same as no job, end of saga. As merlinxx said, it is a furlough.
Try to dig up short term contract work in the sun over winter?
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 09:57
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Look on the bright side - Ryanair can lay off Rubik with no pay for a few months and he will THANK THEM for the priviledge!!!!!
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 10:00
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It is not the same as no job, end of saga. As merlinxx said, it is a furlough.
Yes - in the UK we call it being laid off.
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 10:17
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I wouldn't be suprised that measures like these will be unique to the likes of FR in the coming weeks/months. Winter has always been a particularly lean time for many operators, however recent occurences will mean that this winter becomes a quest for survival for many. You can see what some airlines are doing by just visiting a few of their websites "Summer Sale 2009"
"Pay no taxes or charges" It smacks of an effort in attempting to get money into the bank ASAP.

No one likes to be told that they face unpaid leave, however this will have been nothing new to pilots at both DUB and STN as capacity cuts have been on the cards for quite a while now. As a result the company has asked people to volunteer for a month off. Contractors have had no choice, as this is part and parcel of their contract. I sympathise with everyone in these difficult times, especially my piers in the likes of XL, Zoom, Silverjet and Futura who no longer have their jobs to go to. Unfortunately these guys were offered no alternative, and while I reiterate that the possibility of unpaid leave is hardly favorable, at least it doesn't have a P45 attached to it.

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Old 16th Sep 2008, 10:30
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Is the leave going to be forced on contract pilots only,ie brookfield guys, or pilots who work for Ryanair? if so is this allowed? surely somebody who works for an agency ie brookfield must be made to take leave first, if pilots who work for the actual company are available for work? surely there must be some legal ruling in favour of actual company employe's ,or indeed a breach of contract?

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