Grim, what keeps you in Ryanair, 12 years ? Thanks for your thoughts about my status. I do not want to print my thoughts of you but I have my ideas. If you really do respect others on this forum at least you could use decent language as well ? Do you know that it is not healthy to stay so many years in the same position/Company ? Stress kills !! I'll bet you have applyed to lots of jobs, but your personality is your greatest enemy, it shines from your posts on this forum.

UK Viking

wrong on all counts baby.why should i leave?where did i address you with indecent language?you know nothing about me so best leave your theories for another day?however you are free to voice your opinion on me or any other matters.freedom of speech is the essence of civilisation,you will not find the same sentiment evident within fr management.answer me this,is it true that you are a contractor and as such will not be directly affected by the forced unpaid leave?tell the truth now.you alredy gave the game away.how much will you bet that i have applied for other jobs?why is it not healthy?does stress kill?

off the topic,why do you sign all your posts "uk viking"?just curious.

at your leisure you can address any of my points at post 20:46.should you feel the need stoke up debate.cheers cock.regards.

Good potted history Tooloose, I hope it has enlightened a few benighted brows here.

Meanwhile, after a short absence, I decided to log on again to bring you lot the next bit of news coming down the wires about this faulty 2004 legislation (the bit Ryanair exploited).

More history required for the uninitiated.....

This summer the Irish people were the only europeans given the opportunity to vote on the Lisbon Treaty. Much to the chagrin of our ruling party, and their friends in europe, the Irish people rejected the treaty, thus stalling the european Super-State project.
It is widely rumoured that the mandarins of the EU are leaning heavily on the Irish government to re-run the vote as soon as possible (...or else!).

This afternoon, the leader of SIPTU (the largest Union in Ireland) warned the government that they would actively campaign AGAINST a "Lisbon Treaty Mark2" if the forthcoming legislation on Collective Bargaining is not solid and effective. Last time round SIPTU made no recommendation either way to its membership. A NO campaign will guarentee a second defeat. Such a scenario would almost certainly result in the fall of the government.

So, lads, just let this play out. We'll see who's right.
As I forecast before - O'Bleary will get his comeuppance this time, because when the chips are down for the ruling party - they'll sell him down the river before letting power slip from their fingers. They hate the b'stard more than I do. He's a thorn in every politicians side, which makes him a liability in this scenario. I'd lay odds now he'll be gone by next summer.

Bye Bye Micko!!

PS Keep an ear open for the 'softening up' language from low ranking politicians which will likely talk about the necessity to protect workers from 'unscrupulous and expoitatative employers'. It'll be especially interesting to hear the 'unofficial' and 'off record' responses to this SIPTU threat.

There is something I don't really understand. If all the FR pilots with Fr contract are rostered during the winter time without unpaid leave, most of them will end up every month with a lot of stanby's and most probably with an average of let's say 40-50 hours, so really a low flight pay but for sure with a full basic salary. Now with the plan of everyone receiving one week of unpaid leave it will mean a reduction of basic salary but a lot less stby's so most probably an average of 70-80 hrs an month with a big flight cheque? So what's the best no reduction on the basic salary but a continuous reduction on the flight pay every winter months or a reduction of 2 % of the basic salary(on a 12 months basis) and a good average flight cheque???? I know the best would be no reductions at all but if there is less flights it's one or the other....

Yeah ok that's true they could give 7 days of stby to every body without unpaid leave but in that case they pay you knowing that they will not call you and you will do nothing, hmmm, I guess not really the style of FR...

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Michael is leaving soon anyway,he wont be pushed out and your extremely naive and thick if you think he will be.he will go out when HE chooses simple as that.fr management are great at what they do (from a business perspective) and the business model wont change much for his successor.

Although there is a constitutional right to join a trade union, there is no right to have a union recognised. This has been confirmed by the courts many times.

Never ever expect greatness from any govt especially the irish govt.extremely inefficient and tedious in every respect.everybody should know this already.this so called 'wonderful legislation that will kill micko' is quite frankly laughable.refer to my second paragraph.

im pretty sure all the xl pilots would like unpaid leave rather then no job.

having a unionised company im sure would be great however unions are like govts.slow to react and inefficient.there advantages outway there disadvantages but only slightly.unions wipe there hands when the **** hits the fan very rapidly(as was previously evidenced),unfortunately.:{

So who's going to test this enforced leave in a court?? Any takers??

People don't get it. This is not about preserving jobs, it is part of the long term
strategy of Ryanair to renegotiate contracts during bad times, when people feel
the most unseccure. They do it with Boeing, the airport operators and of course their own staff.:eek:

I wish I could disagree, but . . . . . . ;)

O' Leary will never leave..he is a one trick pony. Having discovered the low cost airline model from Southwest he just capitalised on that and (unlike Southwest) decided to screw the employees in the process. Unless you are talking about some low cost carrier in Burma, Sudan or such places (where abuse is encouraged), he wouldn't make it in any other industry. He continues to abuse all Ryanair employees. His Modus Operandi is greed and fear and sadly it is quite effective. The Aviation Authorities, particulalry the Irish one, don't challenge him, as they get some serious money from Ryanair. Goverments, up to now have been accepting of his bullying approach, knowing full well that he is riding roughshod over industrial relations legislation. Nevertheless there are still brave and principled people in Ryanair who are willing to take a stand and challenge this abuse. The latest issue of forced unpaid leave is only one in a long list of employee and industrial relations abuses and there are more to come. Bullies (and that's all O'Leary is) only stop when stood up to. Ultimately it is the principled opposition of united employees that will resolve this issue.

Which will never happen. Make no mistake, Ryanair is not a typical airline. Our pilot group is so diverse and split. Every new joiner has his own reasons to join. Some come from longhaul to be able to get home every night, some come for command upgrade, cadets join for the "glory" of flying shiny jets and some join as contractors for the (tax free :eek:) salary.
50 nationalities I believe we have. Do you really think that a Russian CP making three times more with FR than he used to, an Italian based in Ciampino living at home, an Irish FO getting command within 3 years or a cadet owing 130 k's all have the same common goal. I don't think so. Ryanair will cease to exist by that time.
About the forced annual leave which should start in Nov, it has actually already started. I've talked to a few whom suddenly without notice have two weeks A/L on their roster. :{

Yes but annual leave is pay 76 € a day, that's what make the difference....

leeds 65.what an absolute load of twaddle.you obviously know sugar all about what is going on here.you must be one oft graduate who has no clue whatsoever they are talking about.did you amass all this knowledge about "micheal",unions,the courts and the irish governent in your 21 years or in your 1 year since leaving flight school(joined ryanair 26th may,2008).let me guess ryanair allow you to pay for your rating(first job 200 hours) and you think you are buddies with mol.i would pick your post asunder but it is so blatantly absolute rubbish,i think i will give it a miss.get your head out of your ass,norbert.

for all you posters who say we cannot change,this will never happen.those who generally feel defeated,blah,blah,blah,get lost and let those who have backbone to get on with it.pussies.

Ryanair crews must take unpaid leave, says Michael O'Leary
 

Ryanair crews must take unpaid leave, says Michael O'Leary - Times Online

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This isn't leave, this is 'LAY OFFS' in which case doesnt this make Ryanair the number one airline for loss of employment?

the executives are not taking any pay cut and this is only an illusion of team balance.it is absolute rubbish.

Great post RYR-738-JOCKEY, you summed it up perfectly.:D

not so!again it may be easier to believe you are defeated and do nothing about it rather than stand up and face your demons.738 your post is full of assumptions and generalisations.believe in your fellow pilots not belittle them as groups,whom you know little of.look at the individual not what management wish you to believe.

grim repa, i'm always reading your posts, reading how you give all your colleagues abuse about not having backbone. when i first joined ryanair i heard all about repa and over the following 6 months got quite excited about how repa would change the company through winning the court cases and finally getting that union recognition.
three years on and what has happened? ryanair constantly win the battles, i don't care how, and the negotiations over pay deals always go the way of the company.
when will repa do something about it? i know you'll say it's not upto repa, it's upto the pilots, but aren't repa supposed to be the organisation behind it all?
have you all admitted defeat now aswell? have you finally realised that we're going to have to take this **** because believe it or not we are lucky to have jobs in this climate?
i suppose it's just not the right time to fight, let's wait another few years hey, then we'll do something about it.

BongleBear, the largest union in Ireland - SIPTU - is today deliberating on whether or not to recommend its members vote for the new National Wage Agreement. This agreement contains legislative changes which are designed to blow O'Leary and his bullying tactics right out of the water.

There is no guarentee the NWA will be recommended by SIPTU, especially after a very harsh budget yesterday, but I believe it will pass, on the proviso that the government makes the promised legal changes. I believe they will indeed happen because the country is teetering on the of economic collapse and does not need the chaos of wage strikes.

Thus the writing is on the wall for O'Leary. Give it a few more months - the acts are due in June I believe. Read the thread again, esp my earlier posts.