Thomas Cook /My Travel Recruitment?
 

I thought they were laying off approx 100 Pilots ?
What's with the Ad's in Flight international? :hmm:


BR.

anyone got any info on rough take-home for a year 1 FO (757), choice of base? or allocated? typical months roster? etc.

Take home would be around GBP2800
Roster: 10 days off in 28. Weekly published roling roster for 5 weeks ahead.
They will try to get you the base you want.

Good luck !

Probably one of the best companies to work for in the UK now...good luck with the applications;)

You'll find detailed payscales on their site, it's alongside apps form.

Applications had to be in by the 31st of Dec. Lets see if they manage to get what they are after.

31st December?
 

...My copy of Flight says entries in by 31st January 2008...?!?

Did I miss it altogether?
Anyone get acknowledgement of their email?

website says 31st dec 2007!!!!:ugh:

If your interested I would send a CV anyway. I somehow doubt they got many applicants.

can anyone shed any light on promotional prospects for someone joining now as an f/o??

How long is a piece of string?

10-15 years to command. Maybe more, maybe less. Depends on expansion/fleet reduction.

Difficukt one to answer.

What sort of hours requirements are they looking for please? I would normally check it out myself, but for some reason Thomas Cook is coming up as a banned webpage at work! Must have scantily clad ladies as advertising on the front......:E

Quote from website
Pilots recruitment update posted14/12/07
Type Rated A320 and B757 FO Vacancies

Following the successful merger of MyTravel Airways and Thomas Cook Airlines UK, the new enlarged airline, to be known as Thomas Cook Airlines Ltd, has a limited number of permanent positions available for TYPE RATED FOs on the A320 and B757. Applicants should have a minimum of 500 hours on type. ONLY Pilots who meet this criteria and who wish to apply should send their CVs to [email protected] by 31 Dec 2007.

hope this helps..

Great, thanks very much for that mac23. Guess a type rating on the PA28 isn't going to cut the mustard.....!

Can we expect non rated recruitment in time? Is the merged entity a TRTO?

Yes and Yes. 757 and A320 and A320-A330 CCQ TRTO held.

Pay Scales?
 

Have the 2 different pay scales been integrated or do they remain independent? If you apply for a My Travel Position (Base) do you get that if successful or could you end up in a Thomas Cook position (Base) and vice versa, if you applied through a different website? :confused:

BR.

BR

There are still two diffrent pay scales (at the time of posting) though this is still being negotiated, any new employees will be on the MYT payscale, T+C etc... this is due to MYT being the host AOC for the merger.

Base list have already been published in the company and although there are still some changes that are likely to happen by the time the recruitment and training has been started all bases will have been merged together and both companies will be acting as one.

As for applying i would advise applying to the one in the advert as mentioned in a previous post.

1) Not sure sorry but the PPJN Thomas Cook profile is fairly accurate, has accurate bases and fleets and pay scales wont be too far off, they are slightly diffrent but will probably work for a ball park figure.

2) Random rostering with routes that depend on base, in the summer flying will be 99% in and out of base with no night stops. 99% of flight are 2 sector (some 3 sector days on routes with have fuel/payload issues). Days off are normallys in blocks of two's possibly three's, occasionally the will roster a single day off, no chance of 5 in a row in the summer however winter is much quieter so it is possible.

3) Staff travel department is good so probably but not sure.

4) At the moment it is fully crewed, however this is just as changeable as everything, no set time to get on the aircraft as done on seniority.

Hope this has helped

FE

The payscales on PPJN are a little bit off, since they're from a few pay rises ago (2.6% then 0.9% then 4.7%). So compounding that to get the current rates multiply the PPJN ones by something like 1.0839. A Year 1 SFO then becomes £47210, which my favourite tax calculator reckons will give you £2800-odd with let's say £200 quid a month allowances to add on too...

Think pay will be slightly more than 47K if under the MYT AOC.

...well who knows what will happen? It will be 'slightly more' yes, since we will soon be due at least an inflation-level payrise and potential harmonising of payscales between the two constituent airlines. Until that happens though, the basic, year 1, SFO salary for a Thomas Cook pilot on the old TCX T&Cs is £47,210. I guess that since the advertised requirement is for 500 hours you could join as a year 1 FO (<1500 hrs), in which case the starting salary is currently £36,366.

As part of the ongoing dicussions between management and the union with regards to the merger, the issue of new joiners has been raised with no decisions made as yet with regard to the contract they will be offered.

OK, couple more questions

With >500 hours on type (757) but a few hundred hours short of a full ATPL, what would be the starting salary offered?
PPJN has a separate FO / SFO scale for thomas cook, but not for My travel?

What's the pension, ppjn shows nothing for thomas cook, 3% employee + 14% employer for my travel?

What is a typical 757 roster for gatwick and stansted? out and backs? or trips / bullets?
Mainly day flights? night flights? varied destinations or the same timetable week in week out?

How long before 767 is on offer?

How close to the airport does one have to live? what is the standby requirement for time from call to report, and how likely is a call out on standby days (i know this is a 'piece of string question', but I know some people have never been called in some airlines, and others are getting called all the time)

Does the 10-15 years to command ballpark sound sensible at the moment? seniority list based?

As mentioned before, pilots will be recruited under the new host AOC...which is former MYT. I can't see any pilots being paid less than 40K starting salary.

You will probably be offered a FO salary to start and as soon as you upgrade to a full ATPL you will be moved on to SFO salary.

Pension scheme is still being negotiated, you will probably be on MYT scheme or something fairly close

STN is 320, and will be staying 320. 757 LGW is mostly short haul 2 sector there and back, mix of days and nights varied roster. There are some longer trips (Canada etc).

It may be possible get 767 straight away, if not then it will be by senority, the 767 is planned to do short haul out of the main bases over the summer, not sure if it will go long haul in the winter.

Standby call out time is 90 minutes, where you live is up to you as long as your available to make the standbys if called in. As for how often... as you said piece of string.... could go for a couple of months without being called in from standby, then get called in three times in a row!

Yes and Yes...

FE

Not sure where you get the suppositions from Emu, without a full ATPL its SO salary upgrading to FO , SFO after 3 years or 4000ish hours, regarding pension it is more likely that the TCX package would be offered by the company as they pay less that way.

torque2 my 'supposition' came from the fact that it says it in black and white on their recruitment website...

with regards the pension I will admit that I am not sure over the state of play

FE

Summer-only working is available on the short-haul operation. I believe it is 80% of the pay year round but is more like 7 months on, 5 off now.

The booking of leave, days off etc has now been simplified by adopting MYTs system allowing you to access a spreadsheet and book your leave/days off there and then instead of having to wait months to see if you have been successful or not.

BALPA is well represented. Over 80% membership I believe and a powerful tool in negotations with management. Too early to tell if the new management is going to try to screw us on T&Cs but I would imagine so as most airline managements try to these days don't they ?

So this round of recruitment is only for part time summer contracts??? :confused:

BR.

Hi,
Having spoken to the flight deck recruitment co-ordinator, the joint company is looking to recruit aprox 30 FO's on a permanant contract, however this my well change.

Is the change likely to be an increase or decrease? When will the final figure be known?

Cheers,
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Do they allow you to request days off other than annual leave entitlement days?

yes you can request days off and there is a facility for a GDO (Guaranteed) day off provision, there are about six of these per year plus your allocation of leave.

Quite alot of CTC cadets will fill any available positions too this summer.

Londonmet, where do you get your info from? I'm curious, what makes you think that most of the posts available this summer will go to CTC cadets? If the company are looking for type rated pilots, why would they suddenly employ cadets with little or no experience, possible for the sake of saving a few pounds.

ramjet,

Inside info. Just that I know of the courses that will be going there and from a rough guess there's about 8 per course, min. If there are then a total of 24 pilots being provided from CTC out of their total requirement then it fits to suggest that a lot of their requirement this year will be provided by CTC.

It's not really a more expensive route actually. From what I know of the scheme that is, please correct if i'm wrong.

L Met

The RHS experience level in the merged company is very high now. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an influx of CTC cadets to smooth out the experience demographics.

Anybody know if any of the CTC guys going to Mytravel will be ATP guys?

And when will the training start?

Jesper,

My Travel does not exist. It is now Thomas Cook.

Any infoon chances of a GLA base, and will they see Airbuses there or will it remain 757 ?:hmm: