New upstart?..Who is it?
 

I didn't know which thread to drop this. Found this on FI today. Anyone know the more about this? Says it's part of a major airline.

Let's begin.


RDG

Hey that was sharp! Why didn't I catch that. You must be a college grad!

Actually I meant this one.

"a major European flag carrier is offering the opportunity to be part of a team of professionals establishing a new concept scheduled carrier airline."

Think maybe you can answer that one?

RDG

Being over here on the west side of the pond, We'all ain't privy to the lingo like "projectLauren" means British Airways. We just figgered They'd call it British Airways. Guess I must be missin' something.

RDG

Yes, but it will not be known as British Airways in it's entirety. BA will want to differentiate this product with mainline BA for several reasons. The primary one however is using a single isle a/c across the pond doesn't compare to the 777/747 currently used by BA. The marketing team have decided that they do not wish to dilute the BA brand by marketing it as the 'full BA brand', but to make customers realise that this is British Airways but with a slight difference.

In my view not the best idea, would have been better off utilising the 'best' a/c to preserve the 'product' rather than try and manage with what's left over.

Angryfool,

Thank you for answering. I agree a narrow body across the pond not so comfortable but probably cheaper to operate.

Perhaps some sort of Low-Cost offshoot attempt of BA ala Delta's "Song" airline?

That didn't go over so well..No pun intended.

RDG

Round D Globe

Most ceratinly will not be low cost. If any more of an Eos or Silverjet type concept. There'd be little point in fighting AF and LH etc in there own back yard for the scraps from the back of the bus!

Does anyone remember what happened to GO?
BA loco, doomed!

Yes, I remember.....After the management buy-out it was run successfully, until they sold it to EZ at a 300% profit. The "doomed" investors were laughing all the way to the bank!!

My point exactly. When it was sold it went from strength to strength.
As BAs plaything it was never properly funded. Maybe doomed was overstating it as Ms Cassani seemed to have made a good deal of progress with it, in spite of BA.
And why on earth would anyone employed by BA move to the new airline?
If they are trying to start a loco service across the pond, they will still have to pay the going rate and with ryr and ezy that seems to be around or above the industry average.

rubik101
 

"Why on earth would anyone employed by BA move to the new airline".

Well one current BA group who might be interested are the BA P2s who might perceive such a move as a way of escaping BA stagnated seniority list...

Wether the (currently unknown) T&Cs would be acceptable to them is another matter.

no wonder i'm struggling to get 757 conversions @ BA :)

And you might need a lot more of them soon Mister Angry!


Neil

Open Skies
 

"In anticipation of open skies"..

I'm not certain about the whole meaning of this. But does this mean that, say American's (with a JAR ATPL of course) will be able to work for this outfit? Or is it EU passport only.

And will JAR pilots be allowed (with an FAA ATPL) to come over to the US and work for one of our fine carriers?

Please, try to keep the opinons and insults down to MOCA height

RDG

It'll be EU passport holders only.

In anticipation of open skies!

Means that a Airline can fly from another country to the US and back ,so a UK airline can fly from Germany to the USA ,a US airline can fly from the USA to Germany then to the UK and then back to the USA

thats my understanding of it atleast!

Neil

E-mail for project lauren
 

Hi all ,
Would anyone have an e-mail for project lauren , I have applied with the initial answering of the on line questions . Then it directed me to attach my CV and send it to a specific e-mail , which I then lost . If you try to go back in , it then instructs you that you have already applied .

PS . Has anyone any idea of specific basing , salaries , etc.

Cheers.

[email protected]



Neil

I can't believe BALPA will but up with any of this. If its BA painted on the side then BA seniority list pilots should be flying the A/C. Ya, I know regionals and franchises carriers but we on the west side of the pond are just now trying to put a stop to such outsourcing after getting hammered. I hope somebody in Europe would start to say no/stop too. :ugh:

filejw,
Hallelujah(?) brother,

zzz

If it is BA it sounds like they going down the same route as another carrier trying to get a new base established.:ugh:
Whoever it is hope their Pilots have the same backbone as the guys and girls currently flight for T&C..:D

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3130

and you didn't hear it from me...

B757/767 Ad in Flight International
 

Anyone know who's behind the 'operation Lauren' 757/767 ad in flight International?

TBE.

BA....it's all over the place..how did you miss it???

In any case, what sort of numbers are we looking at in terms of Aircraft and Pilots?

TBE.

As far as I can remember from my mole on the inside,15 crews initially, to be ncreased when second lot of acft arr in Nov 08..

Must have missed it along the way , but you talk about 'extra' ac in Nov 08 , so when are the 'launch' aircraft expected - start date ?

Further information at the bottom of this article.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle2651509.ece

Anyone know the terms offered??

Anyone heard anything from Project L ? Any ideas of T&C'S yet ?

I see the 'recruitment' website has shut down / completed . Maybe they are studying 'what' is out there before committing themselves. The very advanced planning bodes well for the project.

This article gives some interesting background - BA pilots will not be happy if this goes ahead without consultation.

"An important element of the airline's response to the US-European open skies treaty"

Really ?
With one old B757 ?
And one extra.
Same old same old.

Got my DCM this evening. 'Overwhelming response'

Any response in terms of interview dates offered yet?

hb

Some been offered interviews and have the terms and conditions at hand.

Some 'no thanks'

Others not a peep.

MAX:cool:

I got through the initial bit and was asked to answer a couple of questions in less than 200 words.

I sent back a 'no thanks but good luck with your venture' in much less than 200 words.

As mentioned above, poor terms & conditions, apparently no incremental pay scale, very little info on basings etc and even GROUND transportation between bases when you're required to fly out of base. On top of that, a 12% variable element which, once you've paid for Loss of licence, PHI etc, would leave a less than stunning amount towards your pension.

Pay is far from class leading, other benefits weren't mentioned and presumably desirable ones would have been.

900 hours a year etc. All in all, a poor package from an airline that would be a subsidiary of BA but without the benefits of BA. I can't imagine that BA pilots would jump for this package. I'm not sure how easily they'll get hold of the FOs they need. It is a requirement for FOs to have 500 hours previous JET command experience. I happen to have that but I can't imagine that they will be getting their door kicked in by FOs with that experience - they'll doubtless be in decent jobs already I would have thought.

Oh, and unforgivable spelling mistakes such as this:

Other Than Trainers, Are Their Other Opportunities?

As a recruitment document, from an outfit like BA, it looks amateur.

Bases?
 

Does anyone has some more 'inside' information on which bases they would fly from initially? Press articles talk about ORY,FRA,AMS,BRU and MAD. Another one states initially only two bases.
As for my country, the pay scales are well above average.
But indeed the document is very basic and uncomplete.
I did answer the questions, waiting for the response now. I would like to know more before I decline.

Cheers

no, not yet

not yet...Keep you informed!