BMI holding pool.
 

Two part Thread;

1. How about a quick poll to see how many there are of us in the holding pool,
I'll start it off - 1) Me! ;)

2. Has anybody in the pool recieved any paperwork or further contact since being told, or have any info regards the pay/roster/contract for new FO's?:confused:

I guess its just me then :}, either that or I'm unfortunate enough to be grouped with an unfriendly bunch of chaps. :ouch:

I will be number two then!

and me, number three...

New Member
 

I just got offered a place in the pool on June 20th. I would appreciate it if you guys could tell me how long you have been waiting and if you have heard any other news.

I'm also in the pool for BMIR.

Is anyone else here in the BMIR holding pool.

I'm in the mainland hold pool and kinda assumed stillwaitin, onedaysoon and si_lud were as well. Having said that theres plenty of room on the thread for bmir guys (and girls)

Make the most of the time off guys, the work is heavy going to start with and just ramps up!! I'm knackered!! But happy! Hope you don't have to wait too long!!

Must admit that I had presumed it was referring to the mainline section, but well done to the regional guys too!

bmi regional
 

Is everyone still in the Holding Pool. Does anyone have any idea how long it will be.

For you guys in the BMIMainline hold pool, could someone give an indication of their experience levels?

Hi all,

Question for the Regional Guys&Gals. What's the average wait in the pool? Weeks or months??


I'd also like to ask what the bond arrangement is for new joiners?

Thanks HUY,

much appreciated info!:)

bmi holding pool
 

Another month goes by, still in the holding pool. I wonder how much longer?

BMI Mainline Hold Pool
 

I've seen the mainline training programme on the board in the training office- there will be ongoing courses for some time to come. If you are in the hold pool, here is the vital bit.
You must have a current multi-engine IR when you start training.
If your course date comes around and your IR has expired, you will be sent away. It is a JAR requirement, which makes it a contractual requirement. Whatever it costs, it is your responsibility.
Whether or not you have a course date yet, check the expiry dates in your licences. I know of at least 2 OATS graduates who finished their licences in March, who are waiting for course dates. How sick would you be to wait that long for a course, only to have it all taken away on day 1? :ugh:
You have been warned.

I don't really understand that requirement, it would be useful to see the applicable JAR ruling. The Company will put you through a full initial type rating course on joining which would automatically include an IR revalidation, future OPCs & LPCs will then be based upon this.

Or is this uniquely applicable to new graduates?

:confused:

It is applicable only to students who do not already have a type rating on a multi-pilot aeroplane.
For the relevant JAR ruling see my post below.
I can vouch for this: the bmi TRE who signed my bus type rating said it is a requirement; there is a section including date of previous IR expiry in the type rating paperwork AND the TRE also said that new starters HAD been sent away because their IRs had expired. It is unlikely that he said this to frighten us, given that he had already checked our licences...

Edited to remove misleading information.

Regional
 

Is BMI regional still hiring??

how full is their hold pool?? :8

Carlton Browne - I realise that you're only relaying information for the benefit of others, and that is to be applauded, but it sounds to me like someone in BMI is making the rules up as they go along!

I think the main reason for the section on the form regarding expiry of the previous IR is that it is very difficult to roster pilots for LPCs exactly when their IR is due, and therefore some flexibility is allowed. For example, I once did an LPC 11 weeks before my IR was due to expire, and by basing the next due date on my previous expiry those 11 weeks were not lost. On that occasion my IR was therefore valid for 1 week short of 14 months!

I joined my first airline 1 week after renewing my initial IR, and they kindly advised me that I'd just wasted my money as they would have to do it all again within the type rating course anyway.

I stand to be corrected if the rules have changed, or are indeed different for for those who do not have an airline type rating yet, but I'm sure the Airbus TRE in question is mistaken with regard to expired IRs, and as for sending some away....:=

I know regional is a SSTR, bmi too?

Some light at the end of the tunnel
 

bmi mainline is currently increasing the strength of it's training department to cope with the number of courses it will be running in the first half of 2008.

Some of the increased training requirement will be to cope with the BMED integration LPC & linechecks for BMED pilots, some for command courses & A330 coversions (CCQ) but a good deal is for new joiners!:)

Edited to remove a personal attack (apologies) and to point to my lower post with the correct LASORs reference.
Even if it was only a company requirement, it is their train set, so they get to set the rules. Given that they are one of the dwindling number of companies offering new graduates training on the Airbus without requiring the students to contribute financially (ie, to answer EjetSetter's question, this is not an SSTR) it is not such an onerous requirement...

I have been in the holding pool since April and type rated on the 145 so imagine. Its been taking some time but I am in no rush to be honest.

All the best to everybody

Carlton - indeed it is their trainset, and of course they are allowed to stipulate any minimum experience requirements that they like as an extra filtration layer. I have no argument with that at all, but what bothers me here is someone is clearly making up their own rules.

A full type rating course by its very nature includes an IR validation element, so it's irrelevant whether it is valid or not when one starts the course, there's no extra sim sessions and therefore no extra cost.

Are there any TRI/TREs reading this who know the full story here.

fly2high, the good news is that the 145 is an ideal type to transition onto the bus from; most of the systems are grown up versions of those fitted to the 145. Honeywell-fitted 145s are probably a closer match than Universal-fitted, but it's still a good jump to make.
Edited for relevance; for those new to the thread I was starting to attack the poster instead of the post.

RAFAT
You are correct. It is neither a JAR nor a CAA requirement. It is simply a company recruitment currency requirement required by most airlines when recruiting fresh blood. Basically it reduces the training risk and therefore the cost to the company of failure.

The LST issues a new type rating, the LPC renews or revalidates an existing type rating.

bigmustard
TRE

bigmustard, my congratulations on reaching TRE status at the age of 22.
I look forward to watching your future career.
Edited to say: preserve your anonymity if you like, but if you deliberately post 2 untruths on a forum, be prepared to have your other statements challenged.
Edited again to say; it is a JAR requirement; the LASORs reference is below.

2 untruths?

I am not 22 nor do I live in London. As you say it is to The rest you will find in LASORs

Guys,

Can't we all just... get along :O

Come on - who's up for a team hug?!! :}

Carlton - would you please stop having a go at anyone that dares to challenge what you post. The issue bothers me a little, but only to the extent that a bmi TRE appears to be making things up as he goes along and using CAA regs as a reference when it is a Company only requirement.

Such debates are part & parcel of PPRuNe, and thankfully, bigmustard has clarified the situation, although quite why he deserves a piece of your mind for doing so is beyond me.

I checked LASORs to find the definitive answer.
The reference is on
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/SECTION%20F.pdf
Scroll down to F4.1
The section is entitled Pre-requisite conditions for training
An applicant for the first type rating course for a MPA shall provide evidence that the following requirements have been met:-
a. have completed at least 100 hours as pilot-in-command of aeroplanes;
b. hold a current and valid multi-engine Instrument Rating (Aeroplanes)

With all due respect to other posters, I hope this settles the point; it is only of importance to those new joiners without a previous multi-pilot type on their licences , which I had not previously appreciated.

Edited for clarity

Back on positive subject.
 

Does anyone know if mainline are running a Dec. course and if so has anyone heard if they have a place on it?

Still sitting, waiting, wishing.....

With bmi cancelling recent interviews due to a downturn in operational requirements what does this mean for those in the pool/standing at the waters edge(like me!)?

kempus

oh posted something similar in wannabes but prob better here!

Are you referring to bmi regional or bmi mainstream?

Mainline.

Gutted :{

yep, mainline i'm afraid!

For those in the holding pool it should mean no change- it just means that, for the moment, the company thinks they have a large enough hold pool to fill the next few months worth of courses.

Ah, well i haven't heard back from my sim check last week so hence why standing at the edge of pool, water wings and all!!