Ryanair Pilots 3 weeks away from union recognition
 

I hear that the number of pilot joining Balpa are rapidly increasing this week.
Balpa are boasting of record numbers of pilots in the last 69 years.
I also hear ryanair is about three weeks away from union recognition??
Lets get the deal we deserve...

If Ryanair recognise unions I'll eat my elephant ! Never ever happen.

Hansol,
better fire up that barbie so, because micko and dobber disagree with you.

Of course they will deal with BALPA & IALPA if they have to :cool: - despite what the dobber says.

If they don't engage with them when the pay negotiations come up again next year, the ballot papers will go out - and then the White House faces two options:

1) Explain to the shareholders that RYR now deals with UK & Irish unions - hard to do, but...

2) Explain to the shareholders that RYR still doesn't deal with unions, and, BTW, those tickets booked out of STN, DUB, PIK & LPL can be swapped for tickets from EMA & LTN for a fee of only 5£... why? Oh, we just think your chances of being on a moving aircraft will increase proportinally with your willingness to use the sca...ahem, I mean our valued employees based at those airports :p A lot harder to explain, IMHO...

But wadda I know? I'm just an overpaid bus driver, after all.

Union recognition at ryanair UK bases will come,,, the speed at which it is achieved will depend on the level of membership and how quickly the required amount is reached.
At the moment in the main UK base stansted there is a push for new comers to join. Mainly cadets and SO as most new Captains and FO are already in a union or are smart enough to know whats good for them.
To all new comers to ryanair i for one urge each and everyone of you to consider your future in this industry, cast a eye over such company's as easy-jet and BA to see what a good union body can achieve and join BALPA as soon as possible. If you find yourself in a position of being unable to pay the amount required to join then you should discuss this with the BALPA rep. I am sure that you will find them more than accommodating.
The future of ryanair is without a doubt bright, lets make sure the future of ryanair pilots is equally as bright.
GO REPA
GO IALPA, BALPA

This may be a naieve question, so I apologise in advance.

What legal standing does the BRITISH Airline Pilots Association have w.r.t an IRISH registered airline which operates under a "foreign" AOC? Additionally, if the union is not recognised by the Company, how can any "notification of dispute" (or whatever it's called) be served upon the Company.

Good luck to all in RYR - we look on with interest.

A4

From the moment of 'formally' walking through the door the recognition process takes several weeks so there's no way it's 3 weeks away - that's just wishful thinking I'm afraid.

I hope it does come soon enough for you though as I think you guys really need the support.

Just remember. Every member needs to go and recruit one more member and it will happen.

Good luck guys.

A4 Ryanair Pilots in the UK are different from Ryanair Pilots at all the Euro Bases in that they are on UK contracts. For the avoidance of doubt as our Eddie would say : PIK, LPL, EMA, LTN, STN are employed under the provisions of UK employment law. They are employed by Ryanair UK and not Ryanair Ltd. Ireland.

If UK bases are under the provisions of UK employment law, surely all UK pilots have had their basic rights under health and safety regualations taken away by Ryanair when they stopped providing fresh drinking water to crews. They say they get round this by providing fresh water in the crew room. Sorry, I thought my work place was the flight deck and not spending a 10 hour duty back at base. I suffered quite serious health problems as a result of drinking galley water for a few years that required numerous hospital treatments. I was very tempted with legal action when I was at FR. I think pilots should consider a claim as their basic human rights have been breached. I think the average pilot will be able to take .5L of water in their bag. This is in no way sufficient for a typical duty. Of course you don't have time to pop into the crew room to top up as you spend 15-20 mins standing outside making sure the fuel chap doesn't set himself alight. Could someone enlighten me on the above employment law regulations as I'm pretty sure they have been ignored, but if anyone knows better?

Interesting... If you are required by Ryanair management to take your own bottle of water after filling it up on the 'free' water provided in the crew room, how do you get more than about 400ml past security? I assume you take your swigs from the 4 individual 100ml bottles in your transparent plastic bag. :confused:

Can anyone confirm whether the no water from the on-board supplies edict is still in place? That tight fisted one and the one about not charging your mobile phones in the office! :hmm:

You bring in an empty bottle through security to get airside, fill whatever size bottle you have in the crewroom (airside) and make it last for 10-12 hours. You can buy water on board from the bar at hugely inflated prices providing they haven't run out, or drink not quite boiling water from the galley. Can you imagine the 9-5 office brigade having to put up with what we do. Arrive at office with packed lunch, then have a security guard search you, confiscate any liquid/yoghurt/smoothie. Once at your desk fill up a bottle of water, then remain sat down for a 12 hour shift with no breaks. If you want the loo, then put your hand up and wait till everyone is sat and a colleague stands at your door (may take 20 mins). If you don't have enough to drink and eat after security steal and eat your food, tough! No-one would put up with it. Health and safety, unions, workers up in arms. Put on an airline uniform and it becomes a normal day.

Never ever ever ever my Jumbo is safe.

I have a question for THE POINTY END

Are you able to elaborate on the health effects of this water a little?

I know this is not "Ryanair unions" so I have started another thread on the topic of free water.

What ever happened to union recognition in 3 weeks? Whats the latest? or are the pilots continuing in time honoured ryanair fashion to take it up the jacksie? :eek:

yeah, good question

when you look at the date of the original post it kinda says it all. why do you make posts like this 'sausage fingers'? was there any basis to what you posted at the time? i'm not saying it was you who was creating spin but would love to know who misinformed you in the first place so we could all be warey of that person or, indeed, body of persons

Very sad. Evil triumphs when good men (& women) stand idly by. Curser

Just remember that because not all pilots are based in the UK, does not mean they cannot be members of Balpa and therefore vote along with all the UK pilots. This is the situation in easyJet, which has had Balpa recogntion for about 7 years, but is increasingly opening up European bases in addition to the many UK bases it already has. In fact, I believe the German based pilots are members of the German pilot Union, which also recognises Balpa and they become by default members of that union also. This strengthens considerably our clout and membership levels and means that it is not just the UK based pilots that are represented at pay deals and potential industrial action.

Camel eats Elephant.
 

Oh goodie, we can make a party of it! Don't worry, Hansol. I'll be there with a napkin in my collar to help you digest that pachyderm if needs be. But I don't think so, somehow.

It ain't gunna happen. Not now, not ever. The day of the pilot union is long passed, like yesterday’s turd.

Wake up and smell the Elephant dung, all you new arrivals. You have your jobs precisely BECAUSE Ryanair is not infested with the radiant fecklessness of unions. It would be the apotheosis of stupidity to put all you've achieved at risk by succumbing to these few proselytising nincompoops and their empty promises.

Ryanair is a threat to the existence of many legacy carriers all over Europe. If you're smart enough to get into Ryanair, you're smart enough to know when you're being Duchessed by dingbats of the dispossessed. Get with the strength and give the flick to those who seek to cage our mighty Irish Gorilla, and reflect for a moment on how nice it is to be on a winning team.

Speaking of Elephant dung............

Is LHC for real?