Fleet Manager? I doubt it with that attitude! But if you are actually a fleet manager, then if you hate pilots that much, maybe you're in the wrong industry. And was it worth registering with PPRuNe just for that pointless bit of nastiness? Or maybe you're just a troll, trying to scare potential recruits away from Flybe, for whatever reason?

Yes Mr aspacemean indeed! Why dont you just put your tin hat back on, board your rocket and :mad: back to the planet you came from - URANUS
What qualifications do you have in anything rational - or at all? You seem blinkered at the very least as to the strain the BA Mainline staff in the regions have been under. Without investment, we CANNOT do our jobs.
We didnt screw up Brymon, BRAL, BAConnect etc etc... It was so-called management at Waterworld. Dont blame the ground staff.
We are BA Mainline - NOT BAConnect staff yet we are the ones out of a job.
BAConnect have the guaranteed option of going to flybe or re-interview with BACityflyer.
Whats your job title in the 'big-picture'? By the sounds of it you may be Wishy Washy himself... Yes, a smallminded **** that has NO regard for the staff who have pulled the company back from the brink for the last 5 years in a row. When was the last time the Regions walked out 'unofficially'? When was the last time the Regions walked out when the baggage handlers and catering strike got too much and they were taken off their check-in desks due to angry pax - Never but 'London Town' pulled their staff. We carried on regardless... Through thick and thin as that is our job. We dont shirk a hard shift. When was the last time a chief exec did a walk-round in the regions during these difficult times - never. We dont matter to Waterworld. But Waterworld will accept that EDI-LCY and EDI-LHR make fortunes for BA...
I and a thousand other Regional staff members just wish that people like you with a limited education, would steer clear of forums like this - stick to on-line bingo or something simillar that requires little brain activity. You might strike it lucky and never have to work again - something you seem to know NOT a lot about anyway... :ok:

Just left head office in Exeter. From what I can gather the deal is not going to happen due to "legal difficulties" What happens to BAconnect now is anybody's guess. I know flybe are more than willing to take on most of the Pilots and even the aircraft but anybody joining will be taken on as new starters. I can't believe Willy Walsh would just dissolve the company but I suppose it would be an option.

Don't companies have to go into administration first before any winding up proceedings are filed?

MODDERATOR
"From what I can gather the deal is not going to happen due to "legal difficulties" What happens to BAconnect now is anybody's guess"

once again,no hard evidence,just making your own judgements and trying to get everyone wound up again.stop making statements like this until you have evidence that this is the case.
What are these "legal difficulties" you keep mentioning yet wont reveal further information...is it because you simply dont know or are just speculating?

"I know flybe are more than willing to take on most of the Pilots and even the aircraft but anybody joining will be taken on as new starters"

again, is this fact, or just what you would like to happen?

Really Modderator,

you claim to work in Exeter, but then go to Flybe recruitment roadshows:

"The roadshow in Leeds was the worst thing I have ever seen. I thought Flybe would of employed professional people for this sort of thing. Obviously I was wrong." Quote from 2 weeks ago.

Stop making posts up.

...We've just had the FLyBE I.T. folk in to install three PCs with all the intranet facilities and stuff on. Nice. swish HP stuff. They'd better come and get them back again if it's gone tits up then, or perhaps they know more than Modderator does?

His news (Modderators) is also old news, we (Bacon crew) were informed yesterday morning approx. 5.50am that the deal was delayed due the pension regulator.
Regards P.

Notice to Crews No. 2
 

I don't hate pilots at all, I enjoyed my time flying pointyjets for HMG and now enjoy flying something considerably bigger - I walk in through a door in the side instead of climbing in a hole in the top! I even enjoy my own role in managing some of your colleagues.
My point, missed completely underneath all the vitriol which is seemingly passing for intellectual response, is that your job is to fly aeroplanes. You should stick to what you are good at! (Assuming, of course, that you are good at that.)
As this is a free country, it is allowable, (within reason), to criticise people. This may be offensive to people who are doing their best, but it's allowable as long as it doesn't provoke a libel suit. However, going quite a few steps further, and engaging in utterly pointless personalised criticism of each other, in criticism of takeover contractual details to which you have no input and about which you know little or nothing, only what you are told by management communication - well, that's downright foolish. Even further, there are clearly enough people on here who believe all your prattle - imagine how much extra worry and anxiety you are causing to those people!
Why not leave managing to the managers. To be honest, even as a Fleet or Training Manager, one is not consulted on matters of Company economic policy. That's not surprising, you wouldn't expect the Commercial Director to set SOPs for emergency drills would you? So, criticism of the managers in Flybe and BAConnect is futile, and only shows your wilful lack of understanding of how the system works. You can be quite sure that if the MD or CEO thought a manager's performance was below par, he would not last long. BTW, all Operational Manager salaries I have been involved with have been based in one way or another on a Captain's salary. (Plus 20, 30, 50 per cent or whatever) My point is that it is in the interest of us managers to get your salaries and Ts and Cs as high as possible, and that any economic cuts / layoffs etc come directly from way above us. It is then our job to implement them - we don't enjoy that any more than we enjoy failing peoples' LPCs / OPCs.
In the case of a takeover like yours, it's no different for managers. They will probably mostly be losing their jobs (from the BA side anyway), with far less TUPE protection than yourselves, and less chance of a future similar position, but you don't find them attacking either their opposite numbers in the other company, far less pilots on either side. Why then, do pilots feel the need to try and dictate terms that they will or will not impose on those joining them. Doubtless there will be terms of some sort, but they will be decided by HR and Senior management. All you are achieving here is a long period of dissent and acrimony in your future mixed crewrooms. This behaviour is reminiscent of 70's style Union agitators, and by indulging your fears on this forum and/or on the Flight Deck, you are merely storing up future trouble for yourselves, and very adequately demonstrating your true levels of intellect and behavioural pattern.
I have no idea whether your deal will go through or not; however I am heartily glad I have nothing to do with either of your Companies if you are representative of the average pilot. Fear, mistrust, scurrilous rumourmongering, barely concealed libel and bad-mouthing make it all too plain what you may be like to work with.
For the vast majority of your colleagues (I hope) who do not write on here, or even read this stuff, I extend all my sympathy. Nonetheless, I wish you all the very best of luck. The Airline Business globally has a poor record. The return on capital enjoyed by all but a very few Airlines can be bettered by putting one's money in a building society - you really should be grateful you have jobs, and if you dislike the one you currently have, then come and apply for a position with us!

I look forward to assessing you during the interview and the sim.

flyingbug, I was representing flybe at the roadshow. I should know how poor the presentation was first hand. It was awful. Stop trying to speculate, all I am doing is passing on the FACTS. Now go away and bug somebody else. :=

You were representing FLYBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???

The Fleet Man.....

Now don't get me wronge, I believe that most posted on this site is absolute tosh!! ( this included no doubt). There are hidden agendas, slanted opinions, half truths etc.etc.
I can't agree more when you refer to management pilots in your previous post.....

"Pilots eh, I think it fair to say that apparently being a pilot qualifies you to do everyone else's job better than they, and makes you an instant expert in business management/international marketing an economics, when in fact you're just an 'O' level mathematician with (slightly) above average motor skills!"

What?.......oh you meant pilots other than yourself...well of course. I hadn't spotted your reference to ex military service...... and we all recognise a legend in his own mind when we see one, don't we !!:cool:

For those Flybe guy's out there reading this, rest assured that the majority of bacon crew joining Flybe, if it happen's, will be reasonable people, just trying to earn a decent living and wanting to get on with the job at hand. Most posting here have hidden agendas and as usual, the most vocal want it all to fail, usually because they see some benefit to themselves should it do so.

Notice to Crews No. 3
 

Dear Dude,

I would not dismiss your opinion as tosh - I don't know you well enough. However, whilst I applaud your assurances to Flybe pilots about the sort of people affected by the BACON merger/takeover, I note with regret the combative and aggressive nature of your post with reference to myself.
Objectively, I would suggest that I exemplify my earlier point - that is, you and I agree with each other.
Why then is there the need for sarcasm? I have been reading the equivalent cabin crew thread about this merger/takeover; it is astonishing how different an attitude is displayed there, people seem pleased to meet their new colleagues, and are talking up the job very positively. There was not a single critical mention of anybody's manager - truly remarkable.

I reiterate how unfortunate it is that some BACON pilots are so abusive regarding their new owners and colleagues. Inexplicable other than my aforementioned references to fear and uncertainty - however if the cabin crew can hack it, why not the 'skygods' in the front?

flyingbug - me thinks you have caused Modderator to dig himself a rather big hole, which he is now trying desperately to get out of!

Modderator -

Sorry old chap, but as bad as IC may be, Flybe would not have despatched someone to represent their Company whose first language is SMS. FYI, it's have. Keep on digging sunshine! :D

RAFAT,

yes, great isn't it!!!

FB:)

Given that IC is an ex GingerBeer with grubby fingernails, an inability to spell, and use proper grammar and syntax would seem to be rather likely!

They think it's all over......it is now.
 

Deal completed this morning, but no announcement until Monday

GB

So do we know what the , oops sorry, is regarding those of us with a deferred sliced pig pension?

BACON ops dept ensuring that only cityflyer crews are on the RJs from monday 5th as deal has gone thru and to be announced monday morning, and so anybody off to flybe will be illegal on it from then. The Fleet Manager if you are just that, would you like to confirm?

Yes, deal done. We're all Flybe now.

Until it is seen in black and white what the outcome will be is still hard to believe, Jim and his mate Willy has got an agreement that they are happy with, let alone all of us might not be.
So another weekend of discontent in the family house hold to know where we stand in all this, until the bewitching hour of 0900 on Monday i am just guessing that might be the time when we all know the full story.

Well to Jimbo and Willie what the workforce think of the deal is irrelevant as long as there happy!!!

Hi Fleetmanager,
You make some valid points and it's true pilots couldn't make a unified stand to save their lives. However, could it not be that the cabin crew are more positive because (certainly at my base) they will get either the same base or (by choice) a base better suited to them and a payrise of several thousand pounds.:ok:
That seems to me like a better prospect than most pilots going across have.:sad:
Regardless of wether you think the type of engines your aircraft has matters ( I don't, lets make that clear) , careerwise going onto a turboprop is a step back as there are quite a few companies out there who prefer jet time.
Anyway, i won't say too much on here , but i don't think we are all as bad you think we are.
Cheerio,
ST

Good luck guys/gals and may peace and friendship prevail

Ian

The Fleet Manager?
I can not believe the arrogance of this this guy, if indeed he really is a Fleet Manager???
He certainly ain't a Flybe one, as neither BH or IC have 767 or "Pointy Jet" experience if your assertions are to be believed.:ugh: I have no reason to believe that either of these two guys are standing down to let you in.
Also, please confirm which Current "pointy Jet" you are blithering on about? Fighters or Bombers? Current Nato or ex Warsaw Pact? What nationality are you anyway?
"I walk in through a door in the side instead of climbing in a hole in the top!"
Certainly not any current UK pointy types, as they either have canopies, that slide back, hinge back or hinge sideways, no hole in the top there I'm afraid.
"however I am heartily glad I have nothing to do with either of your Companies if you are representative of the average pilot."
If you really are a Fleet Manager then you should know that there is ALWAYS a comma after " however" in the context that you have chosen to use it.
And then,
"I look forward to assessing you during the interview and the sim."
If you have "nothing to do with either of our companies", how on earth are you going to be involved with recruitment/interviews/sim assessments etc?
As I am not aware of any independant/outsourcing for any of our recruitment needs.
Also, I am not aware that any of our fleet mangers get involved with such activities, as these are entrusted to our very capable training team thank you very much!
Sorry mate but my assessment of you, is a FRAUD.
The same applies to Moderator but I can't be arsed to go and dig up all the holes he has made for himself.

Smokie, don't give him/her the airtime they crave. The content of the postings so far has been so technically incorrect so they're as much a fleet manager as I'm 12 stone.

The deal appears to be done, so it looks like we can all move on and make this thing work - at last !.

Don't you mean a comma?:ugh:

Mr Fleet manager may indeed be who he says, but please remember, this doesn't necessarily mean he's from either of our companies. From what I gather, he's a neutral observer, just asking and making a vailid point from the other side of the fence. Basically just a manager who's read all of our posts and is wondering why we seem such a vitriolic and grumpy bunch.

I PM'd him a little history to clarify a few things from our side so perhaps wondering who he might be is sidetracking things somewhat.

Anyway if the latest "rumour" is true. Yippee! finally an end to all the worrying about the future. Now I can start worrying about the future instead!

aee190,
You are absolutely correct, my mistake. ;)
I have edited the post accordingly.:ok:

Anotherflapoperator,
Then how come he is going to be interviewing or conducting Sim rides as he alleges?:confused:

Notice to Crew No. 5
 

Remarkable.
Such inapposite reaction.
I am nothing whatever to do with any part of your Companies, or perhaps that should now read "Company". Congratulations, perhaps now your deal is finalised you will all cheer up a little, and stop criticising every target in town.
Me - I mentioned that I previously climbed into my F3 through a hole (canopy) in the top, however(comma) the 757 and 767 both have a most serviceable door! I mentioned sim assesments because, were we recruiting, I would perhaps be present both at the interview and the sim assessment - not always, about 30% of the time on present policy.

Seriously, I cannot believe that you really believe that the type of posts you all seem to excel in do anything to enhance either your personal or your corporate credibility. What on earth the travelling public and journalists who read this forum must think I cannot imagine. You are not entitled to a job by divine right you know, and having acquired one, there is neither a divine right to keep it, nor to keep it at any sort of guaranteed Terms and Conditions (other than TUPE and basic employment law of course). Fundamentally, if so many of you are still unhappy, why not seek employment elsewhere like so many of your colleagues. I note that they who have allegedly left do not seem to feel the need to d@mn and bl@st everyone who disagrees with them
Ah well, as I say, best of luck for the future, DO try and act in a slightly more adult fashion now you are one Company again - you really don't come over very well you know.
I'm rather glad we don't use your operation for positioning crew!

FLEET MANAGER..or whoever you are .......certainly not a pilot past or present.......you come across as a complete tosser ! utter drivvle spouted on your post.i suggest you retreat to the stone from under which you have crawled...and don't forget you start at 1pm tomorrow at McDonalds,not at he counter,swinging your rancid mop !!

As an LHR BA person who was 'TUPED' some years ago and came back to BA, i cannot disagree with Fleet manager. He is telling us all as it is. My colleagues here and at LGW just see your job loss as a chance for them to survive a bit longer. That was exactly the attitude displayed in my own case and some other 400 plus staff in the 80;s and many thousands since. I have a number of friends in your situation and I can assure you I understand yhe strength of feeling but at waterworld it counts for nothing. One of the similar threads refering to ground staff at Man suggests they all pove to BA how efficient they are and maybe thus save theirs jobs. It will not happen the deal is done and Waterside will pay big monies to get rid of Connect and ground ops staff at the regions.

HZ123,ret assured,if this deal goes through,you will be on borrowed time too !!

Notice to Crew No. 6
 

Bermuda Triangle - your personal opinion of me is completely irrelevant, however I note with interest your reaction on reading both my previous notice, and the historically accurate data listed by HZ123.
It is really pointless (and unhealthy) reacting with such fury; I sincerely hope your attitude is not representative of your piloting - it would not bode well for either CRM or your flight if you are unable to accept facts you do not like.
I regret it if you genuinely feel I come across as a

or if you think that I somehow

However, I think if you were to use some of the analytical skills that presumably you must possess (otherwise I feel you would have fallen short of the CRM requirement in your LPC/OPC) you might find that I am actually congratulating you all on your lack of problems. The deal is done, and presumably you all now have a future again instead of (as I understand it) being part of a bankrupt Company approaching the Receiver.

Look up, the sky is blue and there will be a paypacket at the end of the month. You have an aircraft to fly, presumably at your existing base - what more could you realistically want. I have exchanged an email with one of your colleagues, hence I am confident there is at least one logical and levelheaded pilot amongst you - perhaps you could learn from him.

TFM,

If there was a "hole" in your canopy then it is unserviceable.:E

Please PM and let me know which company your are The Fleet Manager of and I shall avoid it like the plague.

If you are "ED" at Flybe and are going to replace either BH or IC, then Gawd (apostrophe) elp us all.

You are a Puppet, with an Upper Case P.:=

Fleet manager,you are priceless !! an ideal character for VIZ magazine,along with victorian dad or sid the sexist....Your posts,along with the crap saturday night tv have driven me ,"reluctantly",to the local for a few beers and some sane conversation...goodnight !

Modderator 02 MAR 2007 / Post 412 - Wishy-Washy has said that BAConnect WILL be shut down if flybe do not take it over. BAConnect cannot carry on increasing their losses so the only options available to BA are: Sell (give it to flybe) or shut it down. Either way, BA Mainline staff working in the regions are well and truly fecked... :{

Whilst my sarcasm, (a trait of which I'm not overly proud), I penned because of a detected "holier than thou" attitude, I find myself agreeing with much in the later Fleet Man and HZ123 post's.
Fair's fair.:cool:

Modderator

Crisis talks and no deal,eh?

Some are saying the deal is done - others seem to disagree - does anyone know for sure?