All,

I do not post very often, if ever, but I felt I'd like to add my own comments to this thread.

I am an unfortunate employee of the FR Gestapo and have worked for at least two other airlines before (albeit, never EZY). In addition, I have worked for several large companies in my previous career but have never happened upon a more pig-headed, oppressive, vindictive, dishonest and unpleasant bunch than the FR management.

Being relatively new in FR (less than 12 months), it is a sad indictment that most of the flaws (and there are many) with this company are already apparent.

Nuff said.

Well was considering applying to Ryan Air, I thought conditions were good, currently F/O on 747, Ryan would at least double my salary and the 5 on 4 off roster is excelent, not sure if they pay what they say on their web site.

Ryanair at STN - a non 737 rated Direct Entry Captain gets approx GBP£51,000 per annum. The Gross sector pay is approx GBP£40,000 per annum with approx sector pay of Nett after tax of GBP£24,000 per annum. Sector pay can vary on duties.

Ryanair at STN - a non 737 rated Direct Entry High Hours FO gets GBP£28,100 per annum. Sector pay is similar to above.

You get a 5/4 stable roster. 5 earlies, 4 days off, 5 lates and 4 days off.

Stable - 5 on,4 off,5 on,3 off,5 on,2 off,sim on days off,medical on days off,recurrent training on days off.

Real stable!

alpine blue and inveritas,will be keeping my eye on you boys!

Inveritas, your post is , simply put, untrue.

I know several Ryanair pilots, and the supposed facts you represent are very far from their experience.

Hirsutesme - Sir you are wrong. My earlier post is repeated below and is completely correct. PM me your postal address and I will post a Ryanair payslip to you.

For the sake of clarity again - Ryanair at STN - a non 737 rated Direct Entry Captain gets approx GBP£51,000 per annum. The Gross sector pay is approx GBP£40,000 per annum with approx sector pay of Nett after tax of GBP£24,000 per annum. Sector pay can vary on duties.

Ryanair at STN - a non 737 rated Direct Entry High Hours FO gets GBP£28,100 per annum. Sector pay is similar to above.

You get a 5/4 stable roster. 5 earlies, 4 days off, 5 lates and 4 days off.

In fairness to 'inveritas', I have not the slightest doubt that the figures he has presented here are true. Nor do I doubt for a moment that 'Hursutesme' does indeed know Ryanair pilots who earn nothing like that. The problem is that not everyone is on the same deal - the classic mechanisim of 'divide and conquer'. There are no published figures and it becomes very difficult to organise labour in that environment.

For what it is worth, using inveritas's figures, after 1st October this year a Stansted-based easyJet Captain will be better paid than his Ryanair counterpart. That is the first time that I am aware of that this has been the case - although I am open to correction. It is extremely hard to make direct comparisons due to the various different tax regimes, loyalty bonus's etc but I am looking at it wondering if there would be any financial advantage for a Captain to leave easyJet and go to Ryanair - that once would definitely have been the case but does not appear to be so now. That is not to knock Ryanair, in case all the whiners kick off, but it is nonetheless an interesting observation.