Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

Can someone please let me know what the Jet2 757 fleet is like? Routes, roster stability, pay, monthly flight hours etc. I'm particularly interested in MAN base. Also whats Jet2 like to work for as a whole? Appreciate any feedback.

Just realised they haven't actually started the 75 fleet yet but any ideas what the routes will be? And what do the 73 boys think of J2?

Terms and Conditions
 

If someone could supply me with the same info, with either a post or a PM. Ta

Kenny

Not sure you are correct about 757 fleet. I am sure I have seen them about. Think you had better check your facts!

I'm based in LGW so i do not see the 757's at all, if you say their going great, just want to know about them.

One 757 operational at LBA, operating Tenerife, but also doing Prague and Faro a fair bit at the moment.

Second one due imminently from Southend.

There was a whole thread about this a few months ago, I think it was titled "An honest and uncensored debate about jet2"

Have a search for that, and you should find what you are after.

As far as I know, the 757 is currently in service.

I wouldn't pay much notice to the thread 'An honest and uncensored debate about Jet2'.

The comment in that thread sounds nothing like the company I work for.

R

There is some truth to the "uncensored debate"...cos I sat on a Jet 2 a/c baking, as there was no Air Con thanks to an APU not running.

Asked the F/O if this was SOP..and yep it was!:D

Yeah, agree with rudolf. No doubt there are better paid jobs flying newer toys but it's a good on the 737 fleet IMHO.

Sorry rudolf but you're wrong:

2engop, I would pay a great deal of attention to that thread, the vast majority of it is, if anything, on the conservative side regarding this dubious outfit.

If you are 757 rated then this will be just about the worst deal that you could possibly find in the UK. Jet2 are the amoeba of the business. The only crew who stay with them are those who can't pass an assessment with any other airline or young F/Os who have to stay because of the hideous bonding arrangements that they are plugged into.

This is an organisation where the CEO & Managing Director made a decision not to tell a crew who were about to air test an A300, off maintenance just after 9/11, that it had been sabotaged! There are far too many matters which should cause great concern for any pilot or engineer, but they have all been documented on the above mentioned post & on another post that PM had censored previously.

I would never touch this company, it really is dreadful. I know because I've had the misfortune to have been there. :{

P.s. These 757s are the usual heaps of junk purchased by Channex with the obligatory crap maintenance this time carried out in Turkey. You've been informed.

Oh here we go AGAIN.....Yawn Yawn !!

Pulp, hmm, that's a bit harsh on the pilots who work for Jet2.

Type rated 75 guys only have a 5k bond if they leave before a year, not brill but not the end of the world.

The pay for an F/O is more than you'd get for AEU. Not knocking AEU. Course if you come from Thomas Cook or Virgin then the pay isn't going to be great.

Lastly, most 757's have some sort of thing going wonky on them just due to their age. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a A Class 757 anywhere!

5K for type rated. :yuk:

Pulp is right, any bond for a type rated pilot certainly seems to contravene the EU's advocacy of free labour market economics.

Vim

Blah Blah blah "contravene the EU's advocacy of free labour"
Vim, Plop never made the point about 5k bond, I did!

The case is put forward that they have extra training costs etc etc. I just spelt out terms and conditions. But do find Plop's remarks about Jet2 pilots pretty off colour!

Can you state that Jet2 is in contravention of EU laws or not?

Nearly Man,


Pulp did comment, however, that pilots are "plugged into hideous bonding arrangements" which, when you consider some of them are already type rated, seems a little harsh. Any barriers to the free MOVEMENT of the labour force (what did you think I meant by 'free labour'?) in Europe is a concern of the EU in any job market. I think it was a fair point. Whether they are in "contravention of EU law" or not, ask a lawyer; I was merely citing EU convention.

What further training costs can you point out for an already type rated pilot that would cost £5k? Merely curious. Not looking for a spat.

Now, put your dummy back in... only joking!

Vim

One can understand that a company will want to retain its staff and if people want to leave because they have found a deal which is better suited to their life/work balance then clearly it will add to channexs costs, so by locking an employee in it saves money and is cheaper than paying the extra money or providing the work/life balance and conditions that would ensure that (most) would want to stay.

Pay is something that seems to come up a lot with Jet2 `posts` yet the vast majority of Jet2 pilots that i have met have nothing but praise for the company and its management.

Given their very impressive growth they are doing something right, i wish them well for the New Year

Viktor

How dare you Vim!
I was pissed when I wrote that :(

Have a go at the company but the pilots are not fair game I think!
Few years back who would have thought we'd be paying for type ratings and stuff?

I'd like to see someone first try and push them on that 5k bond! :eek:

Nearly Man


Where in my post exactly did I have a go at the pilots?? Are you still pished?! You are now bringing paying for a type rating into the discussion when that is an altogether different matter. In this context the point concerned bonding an already type rated pilot. I'm just making an observation here - in what other job markets would a qualified applicant be bonded heavily (financially) should he/she accept a job offer?

Back to the whine, hick!

Vim

No, I didn't say you, are you Plop Function as well?
Cos it was Plop that said Jet2 pilots were "The only crew who stay with them are those who can't pass an assessment with any other airline" Not fair really now is it?

Staying for a year ain't no hardship is it?

I'm off to the pub, it's xmas eve you know!

Pulp Fiction's sim qualities
 

Pulp Fiction, you wrote:

"The only crew who stay with them are those who can't pass an assessment with any other airline"

Presumably your own sim qualities are well in excess of Jet2's requirements, so perhaps you would be good enough to share with us your latest sim report - no need to be modest about it.

Anybody who has been for interview and sim assessment get an offer yet?

I'm happy to, Pilothouse:-

I have passed each sim assessment that I have attended. These were with Excel, Ryanair, Jet2.scum & British Airways.

My last four LPC/OPCs were passed with high averages, & I've been fortunate enough to have got through every line check with a good.

(Thinking about it though, there was that time in 2002 when, on an approach, I called for Flap 1 .3dme too early. ;) )

I do apologise if I gave the impression that all Jet2/Channex pilots are crap, I only meant most of you. There are some really good guys gaining their first jet experience with you. There are some very experienced contractors who are brighter than the average Channex captain. There are some guys who are bonded in a completely archaic way & can't afford to leave because of it, but who will when the bond expires.

Here's a tip for anyone wanting to get on up the ladder with Channex: camp in Unilever's back garden. Then you too can gain fast track promotion, sit in the left hand seat & 'play' at Sudoku for your living. :8

Thank you, Pulp Fiction, that does indeed tell us all we need to know about you and your qualities.

Chanex /Jet2 all fleets training manager did his TRI/TRE and core course less than a year!

Chanex B737 Chief Training Captain did his core course Type specific and then TRE all within last 18 months!

I think that tells you something about the level of expierience in the company's training department.

Well said Pilothouse,

Pulp, buddy.....how do you ever get in and out of the "office"..either your head is gonna jam between the door sill, or your gonna slip over in the crap you spout about your ability.

Mayby you should try out as an Astronaut, I hear theres a TV show thats looking for people with your "qualities" :yuk:

Oh an the attempt at humour....a thinly disguised effort:rolleyes:

Hi all,

Pulp you are trully a great aviator,I salute your skill.....and i got a five on my last line check (highest) so kiss my ....

Why are you so vitriolic about Jet2 ?clearly you passed their sim,did they then ascertain your massive character defects or would they not make you chief pilot immediately ?

haughtney....you still ain't working enough....splitter !

felicitations,
FTG

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

And the 757 Fleet Manager has been a TRE for 20 years plus, and has been another airline's fleet manager and training manager.

The head of training did a JAA TRI/TRE course a year ago but has been in management and training for years - and is, I would venture to suggest, a first class bloke, rather more erudite than some here.

This outfit is better than a lot out there.

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

Pulp Fiction (or whatever handle you choose to use these days)

Blue, that was seriously the most viscious, nasty post I have ever had read. Viscious, nasty, totally uncalled for and totally untrue, my friend.

Man, what happened to you? :( Obviously you are really being eaten up inside. I just hope that you manage to find a little self respect and then hopefully you won't feel the need to lash out at people, taking indiscriminate cheap shots.

I find it very upsetting to see how low you have sunk, and really hope you get well soon, because what you've said is cold.... really cold.

Wishing you all the best, as always

Trips

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

Fade to Grey

A 5! Cool, so you can bribe them then! :}

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

And I only got a four:{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{ .....probably cos Im a splitter...:E

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

VDV,

Erudite!! More like irascible and obdurate. As for J***, try asking some of his colleagues who still have stab wounds in there backs what they think!!

Pulp Fiction hit the nail on the head earlier in this thread. Channel/Jet2 really is the lowest of the low when it comes to UK airlines. Anybody who has worked for a respectable airline very quickly after joining realises they have made a mistake. All the decent guys leave very quickly and many pay to get out.

It’s a great place if you’re a turboprop or 145/146 captain and don’t want to go back to the RHS, or a low time FO that can’t get a job anywhere else. Getting a command is easy. Couple of days out with an LTC, 3 sim sessions, and 10 line training sectors and of you go. Failing is almost unheard. This is a measure of desperation at this truly low cost outfit.

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

Sub rosa

And I find him one of the most thoroughly decent men I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. In fact, over the last few years, a great deal of stock has been placed in making sure there are quality chaps at the helm, not those who believe they have some sort of God given right, but those who have earned it, and the respect of their peers.

Yes, there have been some fairly quick promotions (albeit no quicker than other locos), but please don't imagine that it was done without a great deal of consideration, and they still had to prove themselves. It certainly wasn't based on politics as others may claim - that's just nasty.

And if you think that it's just a shoo-in, then you would be very much mistaken. Many have failed, including those who have come from 'reputable' companies as direct entry commands. And the man who is now in charge of the fleet training? Affectionately known as Chopper - and that's not because of the size of his pecker.

I love that. Superb! You are absolutely right. Which means the decent chaps and chappesses remain. :p

Go in peace and enjoy where you are, because we certainly enjoy being where we are.

Trips

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

Trip.

I am sure that based on your experience and background you truly feel that Jet2 is a good operation.

Most of the complaints about Jet2 are from those with backgrounds in well established reputable airlines such as BA, BMI and others. These are individuals who are able to make realistic comparisons based on there experience.

Unfortunately, unless one has worked in a formal environment with robust SOP’s, is accustomed to operating well maintained aircraft, and within an efficiently operating organisation in most other respects, then the complaints constantly aired in these forums would be outside of ones frame of reference.

This is the underlying problem at Jet2. PM and his immediate subordinates have been with the company for years, have not worked elsewhere and truly believe what they are doing is right. It is accepted that Channel /Jet2 are about the lowest paid and most onerously contracted pilots in the UK. It is not hard to conclude that when you say:

“over the last few years, a great deal of stock has been placed in making sure there are quality chaps at the helm…”

.....that you simply cannot attract the quality of manager that is really needed when paying so little. It is a fact that a Channel 737/757 TRE with say Fleet Manager or Training Manager increment is earning the same as an Easy Jet line Captain. The same is true throughout the management structure.

It’s all relative!

Ps…. Thanks for the help with my spalling. As I said you get what you pay for!! :ok:

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

Hi,
So nearly man did you get the job then ?Is it true using the APU is banned until the temp reaches absolute zero ?!
Haughtney -they gave you a 4,did they feel sorry for you ?(only kidding mate)

Shame I went down like the titanic in my LPC,still there is a fine line between genius and madness !:O

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

Sub rosa

Sorry old bean, but I come from one of those "reputable" airlines and my experience tells me you do not know what you are on about! Jet2 is as good as most, in my experience!!

And as for all this talk of bad management, well its a load of crap. FB is a fine head of training, and if you meet him you know he stands no 5hit. Standards have risen 10 fold since he has taken the role. Those that talk bad of JB and RL, I challenge you to fine better fleet captains. :ok:

Just my opinion.:*

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

With you on that one pol 1wx...

Plop Function...thanks matey....I'm one of your "majority" of remaining c??p Jet2 pilots !!
Sub Rosa....I too come from one of your so called "reputable other" airlines !!

As for MY experiences with Channex/Jet2 over the last year...got to say... for me "personally"...there are more positives than negatives.
The +'s : numerous but personal....it suits ME...that's not to say it suits others....the bottom line being..."Do I still enjoy turning in for work" ?....YEP !
The -'s : the same old chestnut....the money IS c??p !! But here's X-ing fingers...it MIGHT improve...it might NOT !!

As for the Pilot Management/Training Dept..Yet again I agree with the previous post....ALL GOOD STUFF...

But then...who am I to say this...I'm just a c??P JET2 Pilot !!!
(Maybe now Channex is no more...we should have a new callsign...I vote for "JOBBIE"...what say you PLOP ???)

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

To return to the original question from 2engop: what's it like at Jet2?

Well, I found it absolutely dreadful. As you can gauge from this thread so do others but some say that they enjoy flying for PM. My advice to you, if you are thinking of trying out this bottom feeding outfit, is to join as a contractor. That way you can leave within 6 or 12 months without being bullied for a trumped up bond even if you were already type rated. The company may even provide you with a reference & not attempt to sabotage your next employment by witholding it. You'll also be on a far better deal than a Channex employee (poor sods). First Officer pay is around £2,700 per month; a Captain is taking home in the region of £3,600 per month: about £400 per month less than a First Officer with a certain Irish airline! ;)

Pulp Fiction says that most pilots flying for Jet2/Channex are crap. I think that's a bit harsh. One of the best pilots I know flys for Channel Express. They've recently screwed him so he will probably be leaving the company as soon as his Dickensian bond expires. There are some very switched on F/Os with low hours who are very capable. There are some good Captains. There are also some appalling examples, some of the worst that I've come across of in our industry.

Only join this company if you have no other choice, it's as simple as that. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.:ok:

Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
 

This wouldn't be the same Irish airline you mention that tried to recruit Jet2 pilot's with 737-300/900 on their licences but insisted on a 5 YEAR BOND for an NG differences course would it??

It's horses for courses with any airline job. Yes some would like to leave but find me a loco where this isn't the case. That certain Irish airline mentioned is definitely not one but it doesn't make it a bad employer for everyone. I am genuinely pleased you have found better to suit and good luck because you deserve it.

2engop ..... joining as a contractor is an idea if it's available .... then you can make your own mind up. I have worked for others, even one of the "reputable" airlines and for what it's worth I like it here very much. Good luck with your decision :ok: