Thanks for your reply Flaps One.

I echo your sentiments, let's hope management do come to there senses.

regards,

Ice Man :ok:

Ice man actually mentions a point that I am quite upset about:

8. 5 very early starts, between 0455 and 0600.

Now the new agreement says we should be limited to a max of 10 hours total duty whenever starting ony any of three subsequent days starting before 0700. (correct me if I'm wrong, Idon't feel like looking it up, it is after all 0132lt)

This was appearently decided by the caa to keep us all from dropping dead after doing five cons. earlies. :ok:

How can it then be that they issued a dispansation for that same rule to help the company to introduce that sceme for the first year of it's operation?:uhoh: Are we as pilots less prone to fatigue and mistakes now than in half a years time because we have agreed with the caa to give the company a break? have we collectively decided now to try a 110% not to crash in stead of the usual 100%, which we are ofcourse all looking to go back to after this is all finished? 'cause if we did, I didn't know about it and I may have been guilty of not trying hard enough to stay awake and alive... :suspect:

Mr Ree, I feel I must disagree strongly with item 3 on your list regarding disorganisation / reserve. My reserve is very highly organised. A wide variety of trips with 97hrs and plenty of single days off:uhoh: I look forward to a return to 12 on 4 off for a break:ok:

WWW is right:
1) Join BALPA, then
2) Aggressively lobby the Company Council to be more aggressive with the Management, then
3) Be prepared to support the CC by industrial action if necessary.

If we don't the Management will continue to ignore us.

Gosh, could this be light at the end of the tunnel?

Hotnhi - We have already seen several times before here on pprune that people are not willing?/to lazy?/to cheap?to join BALPA....So I guess we are stuck with our T&C's... :yuk: :* :*

Captprop
If you're not a member, join.
If you are a member, encourage your colleagues to join.
If enough of us get together and make enough noise the management will have to listen.
Its no good just sitting back, COME ON LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!

Hotnhi - I'm already a member...joined when I joined the company (was employed outside UK before)...
I can assure you that I have tried to encourage people to join....Check my posts here on pprune....I have been shot down by quite a few here for trying, but I agree 100% with you!
I believe joining BALPA is THE ONLY way to get anything changed around here....Unfortunately quite a few of our colleagues don't agree with us....:hmm: :sad

Keep banging the drum!

www WWW there is another company out there that offers all what you say and so much more than easjet. It is called the 737 fleet at Thomsonfly, but perhaps this will remain aviation's best kept secret!!

Is that the same Thomsonfly that is ssssooooooo attractive that none of the BY F/Os want to apply for a command there?

Sorry Brakes to Park, You are over a year out of date with your comment.

Initially, when Thomsonfly was started, it was on lower terms and conditions than BY. The company could never have seriously thought that more than a handful of guys would bid to move accross on lower salary, and have to leave the Final Salary Pension for 5 years (and then probably have to fight to get let back in!) There were about a dozen who did their homework and decided that the command, plus salary increase would offset years out of the pension etc.

The terms and conditions were harmonised about 12 months ago, since which time many BY F/Os have taken commands on the 737. There are few F/Os left in the 'old' BY who are near a command now, save the very senior ones biding their time for a 75/6 command.

There are issues and it's not perfect, but what job is? Having said that, £80k as a year one captain is completely realistic and within a couple of years ex-BY guys and direct entry captains and indeed all pilots will be flying the mixed model (charter and low cost). There is block window protection (+/- 2hrs on roster) sector pay and duty pay and plenty of days off, which you can offer back for sale to the company if you so choose, at the rate of over £500 a day for a captain. So if you are fed up of continuous low cost flying this is worth a look. And of course, given time (and seniority) long haul becomes an option on 767s currently or whatever replaces that in a few years.

You have to jump through a couple of days worth of HR hoops to get in and I heard that last year something like only 1 in 17 direct entry captain applicants were getting in, so don't underestimate the selection procedure. They are still expanding and recruiting direct entry captains, but they won't be forever and the only issue if you join next year will be that you will be joining the bottom of a seniority list which has expanded massively over the last couple of years. (I joined BY 2.5 years ago and there are 230+ pilots below me on the list now).

It is a career airline with market leading terms and conditions and the proof of the pudding is that pilots don't tend to leave.

PP

brakes to park
 

There's loads of BY FOs taking commands at TFly, not to mention 757/767 Captains doing valuable TRE work and others doing mixed fleet trials.

Do buck up pal, promise me.

It's happening again. I left two years ago. I was the 19th F/o to go in one base in one month. It was the best move I have ever made! I now have a life and can see friends etc and get paid more for doing less work! It rocks! Getting called in for a deep night is great! You get £750 to do it. It's not all about money but if you work hard you can easily make £4 to 5k per month.

Easy will never change. When I was there, I waited for the CC who were fighting an uphill battle to come up with the goods which never happend. The thing that did happen was that our t's and C's were chipped and chipped away. Which is probably still happening.

Seen airplane? Heard easy have put in for an bulk order for inflatable F/O's. They were attracted to the deal as when they bought one, they would get the other one free.

T-fly pays and treats you very well!:ok:

Back to the topic. I have compiled a list of 230 pilots having left easyJet in the last three years. Most airlines would baulk at such an amount but easyJet doesn't seem to care at this cost and the effect on morale other than to say:"It is within their budget!"
Effing big budget, I say and a waste of money while the airline struggles to control costs and asks us to sacrifice a decent pay deal while doing so.
The bigger cost will be when aircraft are parked against some fence without drivers as the word spreads like a cancer: Do not join this airline!
It could and should be the best airline in the UK lo-cost market but the management cannot see the wood from the trees, or are so arrogant they think they can run an airline without pilots.

Cl Klink,
You say "It could and should be the best airline in the UK lo-cost market". Explain.

qwertyuiop


Explain what ?,,

It doesn't need explaining if you work for " Not so Easy":(

C K,
For the first time, I agree with your comments, it is a great shame but EZY will NEVER learn.

Ice Man.
I don't work for "Not so Easy". I did wonder why C Klink stated "It could and should be the best airline in the UK lo-cost market".
Why SHOULD easy be better?

hec7or
 

Don't know what a "mixed fleet trial" is but it sounds very posh. A bit like Thomsonfly maybe , a posh low cost airline where lifestyle aspirations are rather similar to a now defunct Midlands operator.