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Hi folks
I asked this question a while back, but no one bothered to reply...so id appreciate anyones help <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
I want to know if whether with a JAA license (CPL/IR) if i can work for a Middle Eastern airline? Do i have to go through any conversion/s...?
I would greatly appreciate your help.
Thanks
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I asked this question a while back, but no one bothered to reply...so id appreciate anyones help <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
I want to know if whether with a JAA license (CPL/IR) if i can work for a Middle Eastern airline? Do i have to go through any conversion/s...?
I would greatly appreciate your help.
Thanks
-wannabeapilot
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JAA accepted as is FAA or any natinal ICAO licence. I believe Saudia still requires one to hold FAA ATP prior to commencing training.
My experience is that your licence is validated rather than converted. Some authorities require time in type that your licence is being validated for. Other do not really care. Procedures vary from country to country.
Hour requirments for operators are a different thing.
My experience is that your licence is validated rather than converted. Some authorities require time in type that your licence is being validated for. Other do not really care. Procedures vary from country to country.
Hour requirments for operators are a different thing.
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I was job hunting in the Midle East in December,I hold a Aussie CPL/IR,some states recognised others didn't,as as a result in 18 hours time I will bound for the USA to do my FAA ATPL.Speaking to few corporate operators there,they had there aircraft on the N reg and the FAA License was a must.
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Do Airlines Hire Foreign Pilots?
HEY GUYS
ABOUT TO START MY INTEGRATED FLIGHT TRAINING UPTO ATPL FROZEN.
I AM NOT TOO SURE ABOUT HOW THIS THING WORKS. SO, ANY SUGGESTION WOULD BE OF GREAT HELP.
SINCE I AM FROM BANGLADESH AND WOULD HAVE SOUTH AFRICAN LICENSES, WHAT ARE MY CHANCES OF OBTAINING JOB WITH NON-BANGLADESHI AIRLINES? I KNOW THAT IF I INTEND TO WORK IN EUROPE, THEN I HAVE TO CONVERT THE LICENSES TO J.A.A, OR WOULD REQUIRE EVENTUAL CONVERSTION TO F.A.A SHOULD THE CHANCE OF WORKING IN AMERICA ARISE.
DO AIRLINES IMPOSE RESTRICTION ON NATIONALITY? SAY, RYAN AIR WOULD ALWAYS HIRE BRITISH PILOTS, AIR FRANCE WOULD ALWAYS SEEK FRENCH............HOW DOES THIS WORK? WOULD I BE ABLE TO FIND A JOB IF I HAVE VALID WORK PERMIT TO LIVE & WORK IN EUROPE? OR THE SAME PERMIT IN AMERICA?
COMMENTS WOULD HIGHLY BE APPRECIATED......
ABOUT TO START MY INTEGRATED FLIGHT TRAINING UPTO ATPL FROZEN.
I AM NOT TOO SURE ABOUT HOW THIS THING WORKS. SO, ANY SUGGESTION WOULD BE OF GREAT HELP.
SINCE I AM FROM BANGLADESH AND WOULD HAVE SOUTH AFRICAN LICENSES, WHAT ARE MY CHANCES OF OBTAINING JOB WITH NON-BANGLADESHI AIRLINES? I KNOW THAT IF I INTEND TO WORK IN EUROPE, THEN I HAVE TO CONVERT THE LICENSES TO J.A.A, OR WOULD REQUIRE EVENTUAL CONVERSTION TO F.A.A SHOULD THE CHANCE OF WORKING IN AMERICA ARISE.
DO AIRLINES IMPOSE RESTRICTION ON NATIONALITY? SAY, RYAN AIR WOULD ALWAYS HIRE BRITISH PILOTS, AIR FRANCE WOULD ALWAYS SEEK FRENCH............HOW DOES THIS WORK? WOULD I BE ABLE TO FIND A JOB IF I HAVE VALID WORK PERMIT TO LIVE & WORK IN EUROPE? OR THE SAME PERMIT IN AMERICA?
COMMENTS WOULD HIGHLY BE APPRECIATED......
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Air France would always seek French: Correct
RyanAir would always hire British: You've got to be joking... I would say if you've got a Bangladeshi passport, you're already at the front of the queue.
Good luck, whoever you choose.....
RyanAir would always hire British: You've got to be joking... I would say if you've got a Bangladeshi passport, you're already at the front of the queue.
Good luck, whoever you choose.....
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hey barcode.......
thanks for the inspirational ryan air news.........a captain in 3.5 years!
how come? why on earth would they be looking for foreign pilots? what does bangladesh has to do with it?
ciao
shifatur
thanks for the inspirational ryan air news.........a captain in 3.5 years!
how come? why on earth would they be looking for foreign pilots? what does bangladesh has to do with it?
ciao
shifatur
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shifatur:
I think barcode was taking the mick of Ryanair - a very popular pastime on these pages.
Ryanair are self professed avid cost (maybe corner?) cutters, to the extent that they now hire cheap labour in from ex-communist eastern european countries.
No doubt, if they could get away with it, they would hire Bangladeshi pilots in their droves if it would save them a Euro or two.
I think barcode was taking the mick of Ryanair - a very popular pastime on these pages.
Ryanair are self professed avid cost (maybe corner?) cutters, to the extent that they now hire cheap labour in from ex-communist eastern european countries.
No doubt, if they could get away with it, they would hire Bangladeshi pilots in their droves if it would save them a Euro or two.
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howdy gin singer.........
thanks a lot, dude! super duper!
well.........u implying that ryan air or other carriers interested to recruit foreign pilots have different salary scales according to nation? if yes. then thats bad!
cheap labor? why? dont i have the same qualification as someone from europe would have?
ciao
shifatur
thanks a lot, dude! super duper!
well.........u implying that ryan air or other carriers interested to recruit foreign pilots have different salary scales according to nation? if yes. then thats bad!
cheap labor? why? dont i have the same qualification as someone from europe would have?
ciao
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hey gin singer.....
thanks once again........
hmmmmm.........visa complications.........but i can convert my f.a.a/aussie licenses to j.a.a quite easily, cant i?
is it tough to convert australian casa licenses to j.a.a?
what other airlines have u got in mind who might turn out to be savior for ppl like me? singapore airlines?
biman is certainly a choice......with 200 hours.......cpl.....straight to jet engine........
take care
shifatur
thanks once again........
hmmmmm.........visa complications.........but i can convert my f.a.a/aussie licenses to j.a.a quite easily, cant i?
is it tough to convert australian casa licenses to j.a.a?
what other airlines have u got in mind who might turn out to be savior for ppl like me? singapore airlines?
biman is certainly a choice......with 200 hours.......cpl.....straight to jet engine........
take care
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Iam from India with FAA and Indian lisenses, i can ofcourse be non racial, to you.
FORGET ABOUT, YOU GETTING A JOB IN EU or AMERICAN AIRLINE.
Its the truth, no jobs for us 3rd world pilots besides our own home airlines.
EK & SQ has Indian pilots but all of them are 10000 hrs, plus jet time.
FORGET ABOUT, YOU GETTING A JOB IN EU or AMERICAN AIRLINE.
Its the truth, no jobs for us 3rd world pilots besides our own home airlines.
EK & SQ has Indian pilots but all of them are 10000 hrs, plus jet time.
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ronnie.....
thanks mate......
agreed! never heard a local pilot with 5000 hours in which 4800 jet time being optimistic about a job with foreign airlines......
i honestly dont mind working for biman......just have to wait in the long queue then.......
take care
shifatur
thanks mate......
agreed! never heard a local pilot with 5000 hours in which 4800 jet time being optimistic about a job with foreign airlines......
i honestly dont mind working for biman......just have to wait in the long queue then.......
take care
shifatur
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Well, I don't see what's wrong with giving people from eastern Europe jobs.
With Ryanair, it originated in the early 90's when they needed pilots to fly the BAC 1-11. These aircraft were taken over from Tarom, so they subsequently hired Romanian pilots. They turned out to be very good workers, so why not stick with them?
As long as they have the right to work in Europe, anyone can apply, including yourselves, so what is there to bitch about?
With Ryanair, it originated in the early 90's when they needed pilots to fly the BAC 1-11. These aircraft were taken over from Tarom, so they subsequently hired Romanian pilots. They turned out to be very good workers, so why not stick with them?
As long as they have the right to work in Europe, anyone can apply, including yourselves, so what is there to bitch about?
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It seems that another way to keep foreign pilots out is to make it impossible to convert from a foreign ATPL to a JAA ATPL. At the moment it seems that your existing licence counts for nothing, so you have to pay to train from scratch in the EU - about 45,000 pounds. So even having EU citizenship gets you nowhere.
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hi there to all .
most of the airlines seek pilots who talk and write perfectly they“re homecountry language.
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if you speak and write some other language beside english, you can try .
BUT STILL THEY PREFER NATIONAL PILOTS
cheers too all
RMM
most of the airlines seek pilots who talk and write perfectly they“re homecountry language.
.if you speak and write some other language beside english, you can try .
BUT STILL THEY PREFER NATIONAL PILOTS
cheers too all
RMM
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dear rmmonteiro
thanks for the responce.........yea, i also believe that most airlines would prefer to hire their own nationality, since this has more benefits than losses...........
i speak french......and little german.......does that mean lufthansa or air france would hire me? dont think so!
any other airlines interested to hire foreign pilots?
cheers!
shif
thanks for the responce.........yea, i also believe that most airlines would prefer to hire their own nationality, since this has more benefits than losses...........
i speak french......and little german.......does that mean lufthansa or air france would hire me? dont think so!
any other airlines interested to hire foreign pilots?
cheers!
shif
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Shifatur
I think there's a few points to mention
1/ You need the right to legally work where ever. Citizenship/permanent residence or a work permit etc.
2/ A licence that permits you to fly a/c registered in the state you are wanting to work.
The above may seem obvious but it's fact ( i.e. in the EU it's a JAR licence and an EU passport)
You say that you are going to be getting a South African fATPL, which isn't a bad licence to have depending on your personal circumstances.
You can't obviously fly in the EU with the SA licence. Nothing wrong with the standard of training (all ICAO standards etc), you just need to spend in excess of £30K to have the appropriate bits and pieces to be legally allowed to be a flight crew member (I think from memory there was a good post on the African forum about the conversion about 6-9 months ago - not sure if its in the archives)
The SA licence also carries with it a lot of favour if you want to go and fly in other African countries. Granted this may not be everyone's cup of tea but it is a good way to build up the hours from three figures to four.
Although I'm not going to go into details, once an any ATPL is unfrozen (1500 hours+) generally more doors will open and it may then be possible to have licences validated in other countries around the world.
Of the airlines which usually employ foreign pilots I think the most well known are Emirates, Cathay, and Singapore. Granted these carriers usually look for 1000s of hour jet time but I know of many ex SA pilots now employed with these carriers.
I think there's a few points to mention
1/ You need the right to legally work where ever. Citizenship/permanent residence or a work permit etc.
2/ A licence that permits you to fly a/c registered in the state you are wanting to work.
The above may seem obvious but it's fact ( i.e. in the EU it's a JAR licence and an EU passport)
You say that you are going to be getting a South African fATPL, which isn't a bad licence to have depending on your personal circumstances.
You can't obviously fly in the EU with the SA licence. Nothing wrong with the standard of training (all ICAO standards etc), you just need to spend in excess of £30K to have the appropriate bits and pieces to be legally allowed to be a flight crew member (I think from memory there was a good post on the African forum about the conversion about 6-9 months ago - not sure if its in the archives)
The SA licence also carries with it a lot of favour if you want to go and fly in other African countries. Granted this may not be everyone's cup of tea but it is a good way to build up the hours from three figures to four.
Although I'm not going to go into details, once an any ATPL is unfrozen (1500 hours+) generally more doors will open and it may then be possible to have licences validated in other countries around the world.
Of the airlines which usually employ foreign pilots I think the most well known are Emirates, Cathay, and Singapore. Granted these carriers usually look for 1000s of hour jet time but I know of many ex SA pilots now employed with these carriers.
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The most important point is that you must have the right to live and work in the country you're thinking of. If you have an EU passport, you may live and work in any country of the EU.
However, to work as a pilot in the EU (and the other countries of the JAA), flying EU-registered aircraft, you must have a JAA licence. Unfortunately, they don't make it easy to convert other licences to the JAA one! Similarly, to work as a pilot in the US flying N-registered aircraft, you must have an FAA licence and a green card.
While it's true that countries within the EU will want you to have a good standard in their own language, they cannot enforce a national-only employment policy. Such a policy would be illegal, but there aren't many non-French in Air France, nevertheless!
There are many countries in Asia and Africa that will employ suitably-qualified (ie, experienced and type-rated) graduates of either the JAA or FAA systems, as they don't have the training infrastructure of their own. Korea instantly springs to mind, but there are many others.
Incidentally, Ryanair is Irish, not British.
However, to work as a pilot in the EU (and the other countries of the JAA), flying EU-registered aircraft, you must have a JAA licence. Unfortunately, they don't make it easy to convert other licences to the JAA one! Similarly, to work as a pilot in the US flying N-registered aircraft, you must have an FAA licence and a green card.
While it's true that countries within the EU will want you to have a good standard in their own language, they cannot enforce a national-only employment policy. Such a policy would be illegal, but there aren't many non-French in Air France, nevertheless!
There are many countries in Asia and Africa that will employ suitably-qualified (ie, experienced and type-rated) graduates of either the JAA or FAA systems, as they don't have the training infrastructure of their own. Korea instantly springs to mind, but there are many others.
Incidentally, Ryanair is Irish, not British.