Virgin Atlantic will be recruiting
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Virgin Atlantic will be recruiting
From their web site:
Recruitment Plans
We are looking to begin recruiting for First Officers in the New Year. Our minimum requirements will be: at least 2500-3000 hours total time - this should include at least 1500 hours commercial jet time for those coming from a commercial background. Candidates should also have a full UK or JAR ATPL and the right to live and work in the EU.
Recruitment Plans
We are looking to begin recruiting for First Officers in the New Year. Our minimum requirements will be: at least 2500-3000 hours total time - this should include at least 1500 hours commercial jet time for those coming from a commercial background. Candidates should also have a full UK or JAR ATPL and the right to live and work in the EU.
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Dan,
Not that I find this subject of great interest, and indeed I will not be applying....but it probably is GOOD news in the bigger scheme of things.
If you want to work for Virgin that is. Otherwise you probably won't care less. Like me. And you. Probably.
Not that I find this subject of great interest, and indeed I will not be applying....but it probably is GOOD news in the bigger scheme of things.
If you want to work for Virgin that is. Otherwise you probably won't care less. Like me. And you. Probably.
Chums who used to fly for VS say that they aren't sure that management wouldn't embark on the same panic reaction as they did post 11 Sep if there was another airline slump. So they won't exactly be queueing up...
People used to fall over themselves to get an interview with VS - it had an excellent name. But some fell foul of the trick cyclist..... Now that fewer will be likely to apply, perhaps the airline's interview captains will have more of an input?
People with type ratings being cold-called isn't new. An A320 acquaintance of mine (flies for My Little Pony or whatever the silly name is) was cold-called recently by a certain 737-operating airline which has just ordered a shedload of A319s....
People used to fall over themselves to get an interview with VS - it had an excellent name. But some fell foul of the trick cyclist..... Now that fewer will be likely to apply, perhaps the airline's interview captains will have more of an input?
People with type ratings being cold-called isn't new. An A320 acquaintance of mine (flies for My Little Pony or whatever the silly name is) was cold-called recently by a certain 737-operating airline which has just ordered a shedload of A319s....
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Sounds like they've got to the bottom of the redundancy list with a whole load of 'thanks for offering me my job back but please take your kind offer and shove it up your ar$e!'
Me included!
Looking forward to watching the forthcoming pay negotiations from the sidelines.
(edited for spelling!)
Me included!
Looking forward to watching the forthcoming pay negotiations from the sidelines.
(edited for spelling!)
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Hired into which type lately?
With the Classics gone, which aircraft are VS hiring into - the 747-400 or the A340 typically? Let's say you have 757 experience and more than minimum hours requirements with a charter carrier and aspire to be a VS pilot - which aircraft can you expect? How about recently - which aircraft have newhires been training on lately?
Personally, wouldn't mind sitting in a 400!!!!!
Cheers
Personally, wouldn't mind sitting in a 400!!!!!
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The Classics are not gone. On the contrary, there is a good chance at the moment of newhires flying a Classic on an Icelandic licence into Lagos and Port Harcourt! Suddenly that 757 doesn't look too bad!!
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Nearly correct. Recruiting will most likely be onto the classic either LGW or MAN based but flying into MCO and the Caribbean.
Big Easy, I totally agree (but keep watching).
Tailscrape, sounds like your hurting.
Citadel, I sincerely doubt your story. Your mate may have been offered an interview, unsolicited, but there's no way he was offered a job.
Big Easy, I totally agree (but keep watching).
Tailscrape, sounds like your hurting.
Citadel, I sincerely doubt your story. Your mate may have been offered an interview, unsolicited, but there's no way he was offered a job.
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Correct, he wasn't offered a job, because he turned the interview down. Why would you be asked to an interview with no prospect of a job offer?
PS A340-300 is operating to LOS & PHC
Correct, he wasn't offered a job, because he turned the interview down. Why would you be asked to an interview with no prospect of a job offer?
PS A340-300 is operating to LOS & PHC
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Carpe,
On the contrary. I have never applied to VS. I think they are probably reasonable, if they don't dump you on the street as soon as the wind gets a bit blowy.
I enjoy my secure job which pays above the industry standard.
Do you enjoy yours, or do you wish that you had "Carpe Diem" when you had the chance?
Enjoy your ten year wait for command OR the sub standard long haul terms if you got there already.......
On the contrary. I have never applied to VS. I think they are probably reasonable, if they don't dump you on the street as soon as the wind gets a bit blowy.
I enjoy my secure job which pays above the industry standard.
Do you enjoy yours, or do you wish that you had "Carpe Diem" when you had the chance?
Enjoy your ten year wait for command OR the sub standard long haul terms if you got there already.......
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Carpe,
Enjoyable: yes, i still enjoy it.
Secure: Well my employer seems the most secure there is.
High wages: I never said that, just above average for the aircraft I fly. That is wages mind you, not necessarily the whole package, so I accept your sentiment there.
All the best.
Enjoyable: yes, i still enjoy it.
Secure: Well my employer seems the most secure there is.
High wages: I never said that, just above average for the aircraft I fly. That is wages mind you, not necessarily the whole package, so I accept your sentiment there.
All the best.
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So given the choice, Boeing or Airbus ? are there a good selction of routes on both ? are there routes you would rather not be rostered for ?
Are there more and more min rest periods between duties ?
I hear conflicting stories so whats the basic take home for F/Os on both fleets ?
Is it true that your staff travel privileges have been decimated ?
If offered an interview, is there a sim ride or not, if so what is it in, a current type or something else, eg a 111 or 737 .
Thanks in advance for any usefull info guys.
Are there more and more min rest periods between duties ?
I hear conflicting stories so whats the basic take home for F/Os on both fleets ?
Is it true that your staff travel privileges have been decimated ?
If offered an interview, is there a sim ride or not, if so what is it in, a current type or something else, eg a 111 or 737 .
Thanks in advance for any usefull info guys.
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Right now, there is a very wide-ranging discussion between the pilots (through BALPA) and the company going on. As well as the well-known low pay, these negotiations will, hopefully, sort out a number of currently unsatisfactory terms of service. I wouldn't anticipate an early, or easy, end to this process!
That said, I'll try and answer some of your questions.
The B744 currently operates JFK, BOS, EWR, IAD, MCO, MIA, LSV, LAX, SFO, ANU, BGI, UVF, and JNB. The A340 operates JFK, EWR, IAD, LAX, LOS, CPT, JNB, PVG, HKG, NRT, DEL and PHC is to start in the New Year. The B742 (still around) will be operating MAN-MCO, MAN-BGI, LGW-BOS and LGW-Tobago/Grenada in 2003.
The predominance of East Coast and Caribbean in the 744's destinations means that rosters are frequently up to 6 trips a month, with 2 or 3 days between trips. The A340 roster is less busy, but has equal time away. Most routes have some good points, but it would be fair to say that LOS and NRT aren't among the favourites! Contracted hours are 750 per year, but there aren't many that will come in under this figure this year. Overtime is paid, annually, for any hours over 750. Rosters are supposed to be published by the 15th of each preceding month, but increasingly haven't been recently. Particularly on the 'Bus, there has been a lot of roster instability over the last few months, apperently due to the delayed intro of the A340-600.
Basic pay for a new-hire FO is £38,200. If you live in UK (not compulsory) that means a take-home basic of £2350 or so. After 5 years, the salary is £43,500. Pension contributions (6% from you gets 15% from the company) will be deducted from this figure. The pension, like all money purchase schemes, is pretty weak right now.
Sector pay is very low, between £4 and £12 per sector (roughly £80 per month), and allowances down route average £70 per night.
Staff travel is, in theory, great, but good loads, new security procedures, and occasionally obstructive gate/check-in staff make standby travel very risky. Reasonable fares are available for firm tickets most of the time. The loss of firm tickets for companions for Christmas/New Year trips, and after 5 years in the company has not gone down at all well, and is probably the main cause of dissatisfaction with the staff travel system right now.
The interview does include a sim ride. It used to be on the B742, and may still be.
Hope this helps. Remember, a lot of this may be out of date soon!
That said, I'll try and answer some of your questions.
The B744 currently operates JFK, BOS, EWR, IAD, MCO, MIA, LSV, LAX, SFO, ANU, BGI, UVF, and JNB. The A340 operates JFK, EWR, IAD, LAX, LOS, CPT, JNB, PVG, HKG, NRT, DEL and PHC is to start in the New Year. The B742 (still around) will be operating MAN-MCO, MAN-BGI, LGW-BOS and LGW-Tobago/Grenada in 2003.
The predominance of East Coast and Caribbean in the 744's destinations means that rosters are frequently up to 6 trips a month, with 2 or 3 days between trips. The A340 roster is less busy, but has equal time away. Most routes have some good points, but it would be fair to say that LOS and NRT aren't among the favourites! Contracted hours are 750 per year, but there aren't many that will come in under this figure this year. Overtime is paid, annually, for any hours over 750. Rosters are supposed to be published by the 15th of each preceding month, but increasingly haven't been recently. Particularly on the 'Bus, there has been a lot of roster instability over the last few months, apperently due to the delayed intro of the A340-600.
Basic pay for a new-hire FO is £38,200. If you live in UK (not compulsory) that means a take-home basic of £2350 or so. After 5 years, the salary is £43,500. Pension contributions (6% from you gets 15% from the company) will be deducted from this figure. The pension, like all money purchase schemes, is pretty weak right now.
Sector pay is very low, between £4 and £12 per sector (roughly £80 per month), and allowances down route average £70 per night.
Staff travel is, in theory, great, but good loads, new security procedures, and occasionally obstructive gate/check-in staff make standby travel very risky. Reasonable fares are available for firm tickets most of the time. The loss of firm tickets for companions for Christmas/New Year trips, and after 5 years in the company has not gone down at all well, and is probably the main cause of dissatisfaction with the staff travel system right now.
The interview does include a sim ride. It used to be on the B742, and may still be.
Hope this helps. Remember, a lot of this may be out of date soon!