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Working on a spouse visa in Germany ?

Old 28th Oct 2021, 21:50
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Working on a spouse visa in Germany ?

Hello guys,

I am a First Officer riding A330 & A350 flying for a major in the ME with 2500 hours total flight time(2300 hours on jets). I am a non-EU citizen but thanks to my partner I am about to get my spouse visa which will allow me to work and live in Germany for the next 3 years.

I have learned German (B2) and converted my licence to EASA ATPL with valid type rating. (A320 / A330 / A350)

Do you think do I have any chance to find a job in the right seat in Germany ?

All job postings demand ` The unrestricted right to live and work in the EU`

I really do not care about the paycheck and I am totally cool with riding a turboprop in Germany instead of a fancy A350 in the ME.

What are my options ?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 29th Oct 2021, 00:56
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Well itís not Ďunrestrictedí if itís 3 years is it?
A future employer may not be sufficiently interested in that limited timeframe.
Considering a renewal is not guaranteed.
Im not trying to be an appendix, just pointing out.
It sounds like youíll be giving up on a lot of money and I donít know if thatís wise.
Money doesnít garantee happiness but itís still better to cry in a Mercedes then sitting at a bus stop.
When are you eligible for upgrade?
Can you bid back to back schedules that give you a longer time off ?
When are you eligible for German citizenship?
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 06:38
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Well, there are not many turboprop operators left in Germany, but be aware that as captain with a regional airline in Germany you might earn half as much as your current flight attendants do (e.g. German Airways)—just make sure that you like that lifestyle. After five years of living in Germany you'll be eligible for permanent residency (good enough for most purposes), after eight for citizenship (the only real benefit is that you'll be allowed to vote). That being sad, I think with a three-year spouse visa you'd still be considered employable by most German operators.
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 08:55
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Not sure about work permits and stuff.
How about trying to go for Aerologic or Star Air? Otherwise it might be Eurowings, EW Discover, Ryanair or Wizz that are the most likely to hire. Not much turboprop work is left.
https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/ope...php?reg=Europe
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 13:09
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A bona fide spouse of an EU citizen has automatic and unlimited right to live and work there, (at least in the EU countries I know of). The"right to a family life" or some such ecj clause.

That said, I'd be interested to learn if you got the work permit in advance of arriving in Germany. The catch 22 tends to be that normally you can't apply until you're both already living there.
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 23:19
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After 3 years and with B2 you automatically get an unrestricted residency, so no problem here. Depending on the state you live in after minimum of 3 years living together in Germany you can apply for citizenship. We live in Saxony and here it is 3 years for citizenship. So all is fine and Bob‘s your uncle, relax. We left EK a year ago and never looked back to slavery and misery.
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Old 30th Oct 2021, 05:20
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But the problem is if I canít find a right seat job in Germany I cant leave my current job and if I cant leave my job then I cant start leaving in Germany so then I cant find a job in Germany due to my restricted visaÖ I am in the loop..

of course I may quit my job and spend the next 3 years in Germany but I am not sure whether I could find a job after 3 years without flying at allÖ

by the way what about FI positions in Germany ? Do I stand any chance ?
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Old 30th Oct 2021, 11:39
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A resident permit based on the marriage with a EU citizen is not unrestricted right to live and work in europe. You can only reside in germany and work there, the right does not extend to other European countries. For that you need a passport from any European state. I would advise to look elsewhere
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Old 30th Oct 2021, 16:53
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That's not really correct, and sounds a bit nationalistic.

His EU citizen spouse can live anywhere in the EU, not just Germany, and she can bring her spouse to live and work to that EU country. Apart from anything else, he's looking in Germany so why should he abandon his job search in Germany? The main problem is usually the permit is only granted once you are both living there, and generally it is not feasible to migrate without the assurance of a firm job offer first, which would be difficult to achieve. And if course, you would have to work and live in the same country.

Refer to the official EU website (I forget what's it's called).
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Old 1st Nov 2021, 05:50
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I can tell you from experience: as non EU citizen you can only live and work in the country your EU spouse is residing, in this case Germany. With your german resident permit you can VISIT other EU countries for a maximum of 3 months. If, say, your EU spouse tomorrow was to move to spain, in order for you to reside there you would have to apply for a new residence permit in spain and your spouse would have to demonstrate that she resides there officially and that she has a job there and enough funds for the both of you.
As you can see hardly a non restricted right is it?
Anyways, this is all academic because as we all know there are no jobs in Germany or Europe for that matter. ME will be a much more likely bet.
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Old 1st Nov 2021, 08:02
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That's exactly what I just said above! But I would agree, it's kinda academic unless the pilot and his wife can afford to move to Europe on the offchance of finding a job after first becoming resident and getting the spousal visa, which at the moment would be a bit of a punt. As I asked the OP, I have never heard of 3 year spousal visas where you can get them in advance of the move, so I was asking if they existed. I doubt it.
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Old 1st Nov 2021, 08:33
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As a Spanish living full term out of Europe I can tell you that it is possible to get a 5 years multi entry visa for a non-EU citizen, even if such person is not married to a EU citizen. In the case of the OP I guess it would be worth to pursue something similar with the German Embassy in the UAE before deciding to quit his present job.
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Old 1st Nov 2021, 09:05
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A multi-entry Schengen visa is not a work permit.
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