Virgin Recalling Pilots?
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From: London
I don't know. Great news if it's true. Seems illogical though, given that UK passenger aviation is grounded indefinitely and other UK carrier(s) are supposedly considering further man-power reductions. Unless VA bosses know something we all don't...
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From: UK
Its not really indefinite if Boris has tentatively said no travel before 17/5. Its now March and if airlines were looking to get staff back into training and current then that will be starting in the not to distant future.
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From: Milan
Yes, some of the Pilots made redundant in 2020 are being recalled for temporary summer 2021 contracts. Positions available are for A330 only and P2/ right seat only, although they will be employed in previous rank with associated pay. If not previously 330 rated you will be bonded for 12 months. These contracts may be made permanent for 2022 should the business require it (with original seniority, minus time spent out of the business).
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From: Milan
I believe all furloughed pilots have already returned to work. We are talking about pilots who were made redundant and left the business in Oct 20, now being re-employed on new temporary contracts. As Virgin are now ramping up their operation there is a need for a number of right hand seat positions to be filled. If demand for travel continues to increase into the winter season these contracts will be made permanent and these pilots, who are mainly Captains will possibly return to the right seat.
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From: UK
They are returning as captains in terms of pay & benefits but will operate in the RHS for the duration of this contract as that’s where the requirement is.
As & when their contracts are made permanent, whether it’s after summer or some point further along any recovery then they’ll slot back in the seniority list with their original date of joining (minus time in the hold pool).
If they’re senior enough they’ll return as captains, displacing more junior captains if necessary who will then be possibly demoted.
That’s the current plan, we’ll see if they try to move the goal posts in six months.
As & when their contracts are made permanent, whether it’s after summer or some point further along any recovery then they’ll slot back in the seniority list with their original date of joining (minus time in the hold pool).
If they’re senior enough they’ll return as captains, displacing more junior captains if necessary who will then be possibly demoted.
That’s the current plan, we’ll see if they try to move the goal posts in six months.
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From: 30W
Sadly all returning pilots, regardless of rank into the RHS on a fixed term contract. The ‘150’ should be bought back at the latest of next year when triggers in the return to service agreement are met. All returning pilots will slot into their old seniority position and retain their original date of joining, as if they hadn’t left.
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Last edited by CABUS; 18th March 2021 at 10:52.
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From: Europe
It's pretty standard Stateside when furloughing: ppl are trickled down in fleet and seat according to seniority then moved back again when things get better. At least things got going. Many of my furloughed VS friends were waiting for this moment. Only if other european operators would've done things according to a similar matrix...
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Virgin retraining their ex-747 pilots
.Nice article here - https://simpleflying.com/retraining-virgins-747-pilots/
Sounds like Captains are coming back as Captains. Not what previous recent posts suggest. The laid-off VS pilot in my pub's garden this lunchtime mumbled something about it being a bit short on the actualitay.
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Sounds like Captains are coming back as Captains. Not what previous recent posts suggest. The laid-off VS pilot in my pub's garden this lunchtime mumbled something about it being a bit short on the actualitay.
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Virgin 're-hires'
Gordo .......... Well he seemed quite cheerful and willing to talk, probably because the sun was out and it was my round.
VS 747 pilots (Capt and F/O) were offered back on the A330 RHS only, on 65% pay for tempo summer contracts. A £30k bond for the airbus type rating creeped in somewhere, on an unspecified time basis.
We couldn't work out how you could do an airbus type-rating and become cost-effective during a tempo summer contract unless they then required you to commit to further unspecified (bonded) call-back 'when we need you.'
And the word is that a few 'chosen' applicants 'failed' their re-hire interviews.
A big unanswered question apparently (because they won't say) is whether BIG BALPA or little balpa actually agreed formally, in writing, to these re-arrangements
VS 747 pilots (Capt and F/O) were offered back on the A330 RHS only, on 65% pay for tempo summer contracts. A £30k bond for the airbus type rating creeped in somewhere, on an unspecified time basis.
We couldn't work out how you could do an airbus type-rating and become cost-effective during a tempo summer contract unless they then required you to commit to further unspecified (bonded) call-back 'when we need you.'
And the word is that a few 'chosen' applicants 'failed' their re-hire interviews.
A big unanswered question apparently (because they won't say) is whether BIG BALPA or little balpa actually agreed formally, in writing, to these re-arrangements