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New CAE Madrid pay per work Scheme

Old 1st Mar 2021, 17:20
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New CAE Madrid pay per work Scheme

Well, Pay per work has arrived to CAE, They are calling people with 1000's of hours even TRI/SFI/SFE to offer a possible 'JOB' but first you need to pay for a bunch of courses to improve your Instructors skills. and then Maybe will be some freelance job for you...
What do you think guys? This pilot career is really diving everywhere......
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 08:03
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I'm totally not justifying this model, but I can kind of understand where it comes from. ATO = freelance, on-call work for most of the time. There are students, you work and get paid by the hour. There are none, you stay put at home. You don't have any long-term contractual obligation towards them so that they're interested in investing into your qualification. And, while waiting for another course, you might just as well find work elsewhere.

That's the reason. In airlines, soon-to-be instructors usually have their training paid for by the airline, but are also made to sign a training bond for 2-3 years of service after obtaining the qualification. In ATOs, they either find freelancers from the airline world or someone willing to self-fund. This applies to pretty much any instructor ticket you can think of.
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Providing they don't prevent you from plying your trade at other ATOs, I agree.

However, that's a big proviso!
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If they’re an ATO, I don’t really see why they don’t provide the courses for free if they’re looking for instructors....
‘Then I woke up......
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Last time I looked at their TRE/SFE salaries, they were shockingly low - and that was before covid. Many instructors used to freelance on the side to make ir bearable, but I heard they clamped down on that.
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The last one is pretty shocking. How can you possibly clamp down on other employment in what is essentially an on-call, on-demand side job?
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 16:56
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That was full time employee. If I had to find a positive, they did offer a defined benefit pension (unlikely that's still up for grabs though)
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Is this the notion of 'piece-work' where earnings depend on the useful work completed ? It is a commonplace feature in many occupations and this has long been the case; including some sectors of aviation. In my own case it featured a few years doing that stuff before salaried aviation employment came my way. It's not new.
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Yes. But, if you do this sort of piece-work, you would have usually signed a service agreement which specifies that you only provide services on demand with advanced booking and at an hourly or daily rate of X. If that's the case, the employer shouldn't really be in a position to restrict your access to jobs with other parties in the rest of the time. It's a completely different matter if you're in a full-time, salaried position though. Then, you recognise that whoever pays your salary is your primary employer and you may not be allowed to work elsewhere on the side without prior written permission. Many air operators tend to be quite strict with the aforementioned as they're responsible for compliance with FTL and keeping your flight and duty time records.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 20:55
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Note:They are offering to pay for courses to already qualified TRI, SFI's etc etc. So basically they not only dont invest a single Euro but you pay 2/3000 euros, and then "maybe' they will call you for a low daily rate... good Business for them..
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Do they pay by the day or by session and can you quantify the low daily rate?
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But I guess they know they won’t be short of takers in this current climate.
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