Retirement Age for Pilots
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I’m not at liberty to divulge it’s source, but I assure you it’s very real.
It’s awaiting final approval.
But since this is a pilot rumor network, just call it speculation until it happens.
I asked why 67 and 11 months, and the answer was “because they wouldn’t bite off on 68”
It’s awaiting final approval.
But since this is a pilot rumor network, just call it speculation until it happens.
I asked why 67 and 11 months, and the answer was “because they wouldn’t bite off on 68”
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It'll also be interesting to see how many people stay beyond 65 if/when this increase comes about.
While I haven't seen any data, empirically, not everyone who can stay to 65 does.
If increasing the max age doesn't produce many more pilots remaining in the system, it's much ado about nothing...and solves almost nothing. Only time will tell.
It's going to ruffle some junior feathers though.
P.S. Found this spot of data by a DL pilot who went through one month of data to see what the attrition looks like (my kinda geek !). Without LOTS more, it really doesn't tell the whole story but it's something:
From the January seniority list to the February seniority list we lost a total of 40 pilots.
22 went to age 65
4 were over age 64 but less than 65
3 were new hires (less than a year)
11 were between age 51 and 62 (4 were SIC outs)
Basically 26 out of 37 went to age 65 last month.
While I haven't seen any data, empirically, not everyone who can stay to 65 does.
If increasing the max age doesn't produce many more pilots remaining in the system, it's much ado about nothing...and solves almost nothing. Only time will tell.
It's going to ruffle some junior feathers though.
P.S. Found this spot of data by a DL pilot who went through one month of data to see what the attrition looks like (my kinda geek !). Without LOTS more, it really doesn't tell the whole story but it's something:
From the January seniority list to the February seniority list we lost a total of 40 pilots.
22 went to age 65
4 were over age 64 but less than 65
3 were new hires (less than a year)
11 were between age 51 and 62 (4 were SIC outs)
Basically 26 out of 37 went to age 65 last month.
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Why does it have to be a secret at this point ? I'd expect the Federalies to be shouting it from the rooftops to show everyone how they've saved the airlines from doom.
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It's the UK - everything is secret until announced by a Govt. Minister
just look at "Yes Minister/prime Minister" - the civil service prefer a quiet life to talking to the press.......... and God Forbid, any peon.
just look at "Yes Minister/prime Minister" - the civil service prefer a quiet life to talking to the press.......... and God Forbid, any peon.
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I read statistics about pilot longevity for those who remained until age 65.
The average number of months were sixteen.
If you were to go to almost 68, I’d expect your life expectancy to be even shorter.
It’s like The Shawshank Redemption, where you get institutionalized, and can not function out in the real world.
You must retire early, and reinvent yourself.
Or you will soon be pushing up the daisy’s
The average number of months were sixteen.
If you were to go to almost 68, I’d expect your life expectancy to be even shorter.
It’s like The Shawshank Redemption, where you get institutionalized, and can not function out in the real world.
You must retire early, and reinvent yourself.
Or you will soon be pushing up the daisy’s
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pbi,
Well, can you say if your source is in government or industry ?
Is there a projected announce date ?
I've Googled around and checked with my government source; neither had any knowledge of this announcement.
I'm surprised something like this could be kept secret.
Well, can you say if your source is in government or industry ?
Is there a projected announce date ?
I've Googled around and checked with my government source; neither had any knowledge of this announcement.
I'm surprised something like this could be kept secret.
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As the late 411a said, there is nothing more grotesque then seeing someone flying at 70 or more
At least 68years 11months won't allow that. One American Airline, who shall remain nameless, had 2 hosties over 70.
At least 68years 11months won't allow that. One American Airline, who shall remain nameless, had 2 hosties over 70.
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The oldest cabin crew I believe was Delta’s Bob Reardon at age 90.
Others were United’s Ron Akana and Iris Peterson at 83.
And American’s Bette Nash at 82.
Each have a valid claim to some record.
Do you remember the old Qantas advert that said “fly to Australia to see your grand mother, not with your grand mother.”
My source for the 67/11 was neither industry or government, but rather trade union based.
You won’t find anything published as of yet. Because it’s still in committee.
I really don’t care if it ever comes to fruition, as I have no interest in working past minimum retirement age.
Upon retirement, the worst thing you can do is just go home.
I believe and plan on having a motor home, and doing a three month decompression road trip.
There was a pilot who was number one on the west coast. Upon his retirement he’d put on his uniform and sit in his car at the end of the runway to watch HIS flight take-off to Hawaii. He didn’t notice that the lights had changed. And blew his mind out in a car. Just like The Beatles song goes.
This is just a job that we do so we can make some money so we can do other things.
Take it, or yourself too seriously and you’ll have a hard time in retirement.
Others were United’s Ron Akana and Iris Peterson at 83.
And American’s Bette Nash at 82.
Each have a valid claim to some record.
Do you remember the old Qantas advert that said “fly to Australia to see your grand mother, not with your grand mother.”
My source for the 67/11 was neither industry or government, but rather trade union based.
You won’t find anything published as of yet. Because it’s still in committee.
I really don’t care if it ever comes to fruition, as I have no interest in working past minimum retirement age.
Upon retirement, the worst thing you can do is just go home.
I believe and plan on having a motor home, and doing a three month decompression road trip.
There was a pilot who was number one on the west coast. Upon his retirement he’d put on his uniform and sit in his car at the end of the runway to watch HIS flight take-off to Hawaii. He didn’t notice that the lights had changed. And blew his mind out in a car. Just like The Beatles song goes.
This is just a job that we do so we can make some money so we can do other things.
Take it, or yourself too seriously and you’ll have a hard time in retirement.
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There are others so traumatised that they would sit in full uniform, under the stairs, eating a cardboard meal on their knees watching the electricity meter, gas meter, water meter and checking the fuse box every so often.
Others discovered there's a whole new world out there and lived a longer & happier retirement.
Others discovered there's a whole new world out there and lived a longer & happier retirement.
Avoid imitations
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There are others so traumatised that they would sit in full uniform, under the stairs, eating a cardboard meal on their knees watching the electricity meter, gas meter, water meter and checking the fuse box every so often.
Others discovered there's a whole new world out there and lived a longer & happier retirement.
Others discovered there's a whole new world out there and lived a longer & happier retirement.
Why didn't I and quite a lot of others save enough to retire "early"?
The 9.5% mortgage rate which increased to 15% just after I'd signed the contract to buy our first home didn't help. That sudden increase (mid 1980s for those still in nappies back then) actually put us below the breadline, as a junior military officer. I reckon there's more than a few youngsters eager to complain about older generation folk "taking their jobs" who will see things very differently once the mortgage rates start to increase, which they undoubtedly will. Regrettable all round, but life is a big competition, despite what some state schools chose to teach.
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There are others so traumatised that they would sit in full uniform, under the stairs, eating a cardboard meal on their knees watching the electricity meter, gas meter, water meter and checking the fuse box every so often.
Others discovered there's a whole new world out there and lived a longer & happier retirement.
Others discovered there's a whole new world out there and lived a longer & happier retirement.
D@mn! I forgot that the regulators won't allow that. You have to get heaved out of the door at some or other number of some sort... age, or some other 'just a number' thing like that. What was it? 'Some people need to be saved from themselves' or some old 'nanny state' thing like that.
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
The 9.5% mortgage rate ...
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What ??
Pushing it back to 60 ? OMG...why is FAA so obsessed with age limits. Here in Oz, you can fly as long as you want, if you pass their medicals (and they are stringent). Ageism is alive and well in the US, it seems
If USA adopted the same policy, there goes away half the shortage problem.
If USA adopted the same policy, there goes away half the shortage problem.