Growing Pilot Shortage
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In certain parts of Asia corners are being cut in training.
Many Thai student pilots are being issued with English
Proficiency Level 6; Expert!
However English language skills are generally poor.
I was told that if they do not achieve this level in Bangkok, they can go to Malaysia
and obtain certification at Level 6 there.
Clearly there is some corruption involved...
Many Thai student pilots are being issued with English
Proficiency Level 6; Expert!
However English language skills are generally poor.
I was told that if they do not achieve this level in Bangkok, they can go to Malaysia
and obtain certification at Level 6 there.
Clearly there is some corruption involved...
Every time there is a shortage of pilots, it is quickly followed by an economic collapse- I recommend everyone liquidate immediately!
$20,000 per year.
Not bad wages in 1960.
In 2017, that's absurd.
Pilot Job - SkyWest Airlines - First Officers
Not sure how many flying jobs currently pay under $20K in the US. They did within recent memory but that's no longer the case for the majority of positions I see advertised. Entry level spots don't/won't/never did pay at stellar levels.
The financial risk of the pilot education must change. Airlines should pay for it altogether or give them a good loan and a firm job. If you screen the guys before and select the best you can pump pedestrians through the pipeline within two years that are usable FOs. No smart young guy pays some ATPL at full risk for himself without job guarantee. Just bring that back.
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Dont forget about the 1500 Hr TT Rule .
For the moment, even now in Europe Ryan Air Pilots are striking.
That says something, because last decade they were nowhere near the position to do so.
.For the moment, even now in Europe Ryan Air Pilots are striking.
That says something, because last decade they were nowhere near the position to do so.
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Seem to remember this mantra pretty much throughout my career. Still had the usual company closures, airline closures, generally at inconvenient times like the arrival of a new child.
Be nice for the up and coming crop of young pilots though. Choice of jobs and possibly better salaries.
Be nice for the up and coming crop of young pilots though. Choice of jobs and possibly better salaries.
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The problem gets worse with less and less jumbos in the air. Slightly smaller twins means more aircraft (and pilots) to take up the slack.
I say push the unions to fight better Ts and Cs while we have the Airlines by the neck
I hope cadets finally get the proper sponsorship they deserve. 100k+ debt, albeit to bank of Mum and Dad, isn't right.
I say push the unions to fight better Ts and Cs while we have the Airlines by the neck
I hope cadets finally get the proper sponsorship they deserve. 100k+ debt, albeit to bank of Mum and Dad, isn't right.
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There's a pilot shortage when the US start offering visas to suitably qualified captains. Instead we have a deluge of Eastern European bottom feeders offering rubbish money to 737 and 320 skippers...and no shortage of willing candidates. Hull loss on the way, sponsored by EASA.
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I know a few poor souls that just got made redundant at monarch. Most of them had to turn down multiple offers there were that many.
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No, thats just a sign of more capacity in the market, that already has quite an overcapacity. In fact, carriers are trying to fight an overcapacity war. That has nothing to do with a pilot shortage.
A pilot shortage means better T&Cs as airlines actually fight for pilots. That is not happening in Europe. In fact, Lufthansa mainline just signed a new CLA deal where the total T&Cs shrink by up to 15% for the next 5 years and that completely gives up their scope clause.
Yes, having been made redundant, well I’m actually still employed, just without a salary and therefore living of benefits, i do have quite a few offers. Those at home are insanely bad, with the exception of easyjet, and on first glance, ryanair. Financially interesting offers are without an exception in Asia, the US is after all a closed market (as is the UK currently for those with a german medical).
A pilot shortage means better T&Cs as airlines actually fight for pilots. That is not happening in Europe. In fact, Lufthansa mainline just signed a new CLA deal where the total T&Cs shrink by up to 15% for the next 5 years and that completely gives up their scope clause.
Yes, having been made redundant, well I’m actually still employed, just without a salary and therefore living of benefits, i do have quite a few offers. Those at home are insanely bad, with the exception of easyjet, and on first glance, ryanair. Financially interesting offers are without an exception in Asia, the US is after all a closed market (as is the UK currently for those with a german medical).
Every time there is a shortage of pilots, it is quickly followed by an economic collapse- I recommend everyone liquidate immediately!
It does seem to be more of a ‘real’ shortage than the last two ‘pilot shortages’ I have witnessed though.
Is it possible that Europe is going to be the last to feel it because they are practiced in putting 250hr pilots in the right seat of jets ? Does that mean it hits a year or two later when upgrading becomes an issue?
Just wondering why Europe seems to be the exception regarding T’s and C’s increasing.
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It does seem to be more of a ‘real’ shortage than the last two ‘pilot shortages’ I have witnessed though.
As such it 'signals' management that the weighted average cost of capital is a cyclical low, hence the greatest margins are evident. Airlines therefore could well add capacity beyond the optimum reacting to this signal.
What has governments in most western nations perplexed is the demographic element which will a far stronger signal than that of the business cycle. The retirement rates will impact tax and welfare spends, aged care provision, the stock market and everything else as those boomers retiring become less of an accumulator and draw down on savings to fund retirement. The suppression of interest rates has feedback loops here also, as the retiree has interest on funds invested at historical lows. It is also likely that those financial planners/advisors who built their retirement plan used assumptions of 6.5-7%
Structural shortages are evident in many industries not just aviation, primarily where barriers to entry (money,time and even acumen) allow the demographic rate of retirements accelerating without a commensurate replacement rate.
There are airlines recognising the real problem this could generate for their business continuity.
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I think what a lot of people are missing here is that the amount of people wanting to fly is only going to increase and therefore the amount of a/c and pilots will have to increase.
However, in the long run I don’t think this will help pilots. I think when you couple the cost of aircrew to the airlines and the length of time it takes to train pilots; airlines will probably push quicker toward fully unmanned a/c thus removing the need for pilots.
However, in the long run I don’t think this will help pilots. I think when you couple the cost of aircrew to the airlines and the length of time it takes to train pilots; airlines will probably push quicker toward fully unmanned a/c thus removing the need for pilots.
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I'm not convinced that the amount of people wanting to fly commercially will increase. I think the idea of it being a glamorous lifestyle with high salaries for not doing very much has been well and truly crushed. The youth of today will surely have realised that there are far more rewarding and well-paid careers out there.