Who's happy?
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From: lagos
Who's happy?
What's your company doing right ? Very hard to find good examples these days.
What are your ideal conditions ? How are we going to be compensated fairly just like the bankers lawyers and other professionals out there?
Sorry if this has been discussed before
Beneficial if you can reply with the region and conditions that you work in, this discourse needs to be explored.
What are your ideal conditions ? How are we going to be compensated fairly just like the bankers lawyers and other professionals out there?
Sorry if this has been discussed before
Beneficial if you can reply with the region and conditions that you work in, this discourse needs to be explored.
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: World
Based at home. Solid, stable company making profits and expanding but at a reasonable pace.
In a few months fixed roster, set in stone. Home every night, good salary, going up in a few years to become very good. Multiple good bases to choose from should I decide to move one day.
Things to improve? Quite a lot, but definitely cannot complain.
In a few months fixed roster, set in stone. Home every night, good salary, going up in a few years to become very good. Multiple good bases to choose from should I decide to move one day.
Things to improve? Quite a lot, but definitely cannot complain.
Joined: Mar 2017
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From: London
Was in Monarch which was fantastic , now gobbled up by Virgin Atlantic. Just completed 330 conversion my first roster is JFK and Antigua ( that's it ) ! Probably the best T&Cs in the industry! I consider myself incredibly lucky to be here !
Joined: Aug 2012
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From: Not At Home
Very happy. 5453 fixed pattern on old FTL limits. LHS with good European contract for EJ with very nice monthly net pay. 6% bonus this year, free shares granted next year and a bottle of champagne for Christmas. Ta very much.
As with everywhere, some things could be better but i'm home every night and flying interesting routes around Europe and beyond.
As with everywhere, some things could be better but i'm home every night and flying interesting routes around Europe and beyond.
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Joined: Sep 1999
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From: UK
After nearly 20 years in the industry and several airlines along the way, now with the orange airline based in UK and very happy. A complete world of difference from the harp and red nose. T&Cs are the best of any airline I’ve worked for and apart from the odd night away I’m in my own bed every night.
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From: Duit On Mon Dei
I can't complain. (I know others aren't in as good a position though).
6 on 5 off pattern. Pretty good pay. Reasonable leave. Great colleagues. New toy to play with. Lots of variety. Generally very good support too. Fantastic line manager/chief pilot. New management now so things are improving.
6 on 5 off pattern. Pretty good pay. Reasonable leave. Great colleagues. New toy to play with. Lots of variety. Generally very good support too. Fantastic line manager/chief pilot. New management now so things are improving.
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From: UK
Right hand seat for EZY out of a base in South East of the UK.
Cost me 6 figures to get there, including the type rating, then a year on a zero-hour contract not employed by them with zero guarantee of minimum income.
Once you ARE employed by them, you don't get any bonus for the first 2 years regardless of how many millions or billions of profit the company makes, and are forced onto a 75% part-time contract.
That was pretty crap, having loans/parents to pay back, no guaranteed income, rent in one of the most expensive areas of Europe and not much thanks in return.
BUT, once you ride that out, the pay gets better, the loan repayments get smaller, the bonuses get bigger (if we make a bigger-than-expected profit again next year then some of us FOs stand to get a bonus of around 12% or more), plus free shares in the company.
You can buy shares out your salary pre-tax, then the company will match those shares. Theres plenty of unpaid leave available in the quieter winter months. You get food and hot drinks when on flight duty, free flights between home and base (if you don't permanently live at home base), a good chance you'll be spending almost all your nights a month in your own bed (usually no more than 1 or 2 night stops a month, sometimes 0, and normally able to swap on or off them if you want to), fixed pattern rosters for SFOs and Captains, so you know next year when your days off are, plenty of opportunity to move around the network if you fancy working in a different base. Pay in the right hand seat after you've done your first 4 or so years is good, and time to the left hand seat is pretty fast as well.
There is a lot that could be improved... but overall, there is a lot to be appreciative of. I'd much rather be here than some other carriers operating somewhat similar business models, and I have no interest in other airlines, short haul or long haul.
It's one of the strongest airlines in Europe too, from a job security position. This industry is always volatile, but a bigger ship rides the waves easier.
Cost me 6 figures to get there, including the type rating, then a year on a zero-hour contract not employed by them with zero guarantee of minimum income.
Once you ARE employed by them, you don't get any bonus for the first 2 years regardless of how many millions or billions of profit the company makes, and are forced onto a 75% part-time contract.
That was pretty crap, having loans/parents to pay back, no guaranteed income, rent in one of the most expensive areas of Europe and not much thanks in return.
BUT, once you ride that out, the pay gets better, the loan repayments get smaller, the bonuses get bigger (if we make a bigger-than-expected profit again next year then some of us FOs stand to get a bonus of around 12% or more), plus free shares in the company.
You can buy shares out your salary pre-tax, then the company will match those shares. Theres plenty of unpaid leave available in the quieter winter months. You get food and hot drinks when on flight duty, free flights between home and base (if you don't permanently live at home base), a good chance you'll be spending almost all your nights a month in your own bed (usually no more than 1 or 2 night stops a month, sometimes 0, and normally able to swap on or off them if you want to), fixed pattern rosters for SFOs and Captains, so you know next year when your days off are, plenty of opportunity to move around the network if you fancy working in a different base. Pay in the right hand seat after you've done your first 4 or so years is good, and time to the left hand seat is pretty fast as well.
There is a lot that could be improved... but overall, there is a lot to be appreciative of. I'd much rather be here than some other carriers operating somewhat similar business models, and I have no interest in other airlines, short haul or long haul.
It's one of the strongest airlines in Europe too, from a job security position. This industry is always volatile, but a bigger ship rides the waves easier.
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Joined: Dec 1999
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From: World
LHS lowcost division of flag carrier. 600 hrs/yr no jetlag with occasional layover. Ecellent LOL and pension scheme, 72 hours off every 7 days, 6 weeks vacation minimum. Many things to improve but I live in my own country, talk my own language and work with motivated and well paid collegues. Happy
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From: Outta town
Ps many A330 rated guys were in the pool long before you climbed over them
Pleading poverty.
Please Think before you post next time .
Joined: Mar 2017
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From: London
Oh please , I lost my job . No payouts , no notice , nothing !
If your sensitive then this industry is not for you . I quote myself “incredibly lucky” very humbled to be accepted , I didn’t say I have a right to be accepted . Swings and roundabouts
If your sensitive then this industry is not for you . I quote myself “incredibly lucky” very humbled to be accepted , I didn’t say I have a right to be accepted . Swings and roundabouts
Joined: Sep 2017
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From: Europe
just my opinion!
Happy is a relative thing. I believe if one has purpose there usually follows some sense of fulfillment. Where one finds it is one of life's tasks: to each it is different.
In the modern world we equate money with happiness but there isn't correlation. the USA is the world's most prosperous nation, yet also they most drugged out on anti depressives, so it isn't to me about money. Graveyards make little mention of money. I have associated with some very wealthy people, some earned it most picked their relatives well. I had no such luck (sarc) No matter what their profession there still was a fascination for flying.
Aviation made most of us happy, watching planes at the airport, going to the cockpit and indeed slipping the surly bonds. The industry doesn't work like that, focused on money (which is necessary but not all there is) and pilots for decades have lost their share of pie; deserved or not the game changed.
Dry feet, a warm bed and enough money to enjoy good fortune does me. I pity airline executives despite their obvious wealth for not enjoying the sheer pleasure of flying; something all pilots know. Perhaps it is simply envy that drives much of it, I don't know. I have pondered whether Willie Walsh ever regrets not flying the line anymore.
In 150 years everything we know is long forgotten, everyone on the planet deceased. What we think matters probably doesn't. I know airline executives don't!
Happy is a relative thing. I believe if one has purpose there usually follows some sense of fulfillment. Where one finds it is one of life's tasks: to each it is different.
In the modern world we equate money with happiness but there isn't correlation. the USA is the world's most prosperous nation, yet also they most drugged out on anti depressives, so it isn't to me about money. Graveyards make little mention of money. I have associated with some very wealthy people, some earned it most picked their relatives well. I had no such luck (sarc) No matter what their profession there still was a fascination for flying.
Aviation made most of us happy, watching planes at the airport, going to the cockpit and indeed slipping the surly bonds. The industry doesn't work like that, focused on money (which is necessary but not all there is) and pilots for decades have lost their share of pie; deserved or not the game changed.
Dry feet, a warm bed and enough money to enjoy good fortune does me. I pity airline executives despite their obvious wealth for not enjoying the sheer pleasure of flying; something all pilots know. Perhaps it is simply envy that drives much of it, I don't know. I have pondered whether Willie Walsh ever regrets not flying the line anymore.
In 150 years everything we know is long forgotten, everyone on the planet deceased. What we think matters probably doesn't. I know airline executives don't!