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SAS to open new AOC in... Ireland

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Old 6th Jul 2018, 18:52
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I heard crew based in spain for sas ireland is on the temporary english contract and paying taxes in ireland

Anybody able to confirm that?

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Old 10th Jul 2018, 22:38
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New contracts out.

Pension increased to 5%. (Have to, by UK law. But there is a maximum amount you can save)

£1000/£1500 yearly allowance towards the cost of LOL. FO/CPT

No increase in pay. And in return they can adjust to a random roster in order to crew the flights.

And this is supposed to solve their crewing crisis. Stick that up your a**






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Old 11th Jul 2018, 10:06
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Originally Posted by ATIS View Post
New contracts out.

Pension increased to 5%. (Have to, by UK law. But there is a maximum amount you can save)

£1000/£1500 yearly allowance towards the cost of LOL. FO/CPT

No increase in pay. And in return they can adjust to a random roster in order to crew the flights.

And this is supposed to solve their crewing crisis. Stick that up your a**






not suprised at all.
TCs remain the same, crap, and this is why pilots are leaving.
Only youngsters remain, or skippers willing for part time.
SAIL will not go far.
I assume the last 3 aircrafts will be sent directly to Scandiland.
I think this experiment was a failure like the previous ones attempted by SAS mainline.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 12:43
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Originally Posted by Raski View Post
not suprised at all.
TCs remain the same, crap, and this is why pilots are leaving.
Only youngsters remain, or skippers willing for part time.
SAIL will not go far.
I assume the last 3 aircrafts will be sent directly to Scandiland.
I think this experiment was a failure like the previous ones attempted by SAS mainline.
When will they be delivered? Is the crew situation really that bad, what about recruitment?
Today I see all aircrafts are flying..
Are more people about to leave?
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 13:49
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When will they be delivered? Is the crew situation really that bad, what about recruitment?
Today I see all aircrafts are flying..
Are more people about to leave?
EI-SIF only flying OSL-LHR-OSL with one hour delay due to FLIGHT DECK CREW SHORTAGE. And TOS was cancelled this morning to move an mainline A/C to AMS due to SAIL shortage according to my friend.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 22:14
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Iíve over 5000 hours A340/330 P1 but they not interested.
Low time 30 somethingís only .
I guess these pilots have mortgages and kids to feed, so they are unlikely to rebel against the low Tís n Cís
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 08:40
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Originally Posted by fly4more View Post
Iíve over 5000 hours A340/330 P1 but they not interested.
Low time 30 somethingís only .
I guess these pilots have mortgages and kids to feed, so they are unlikely to rebel against the low Tís n Cís
spot on mate.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 09:32
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Not quite true.

Large age range in both seats, with a very high Union membership. BALPA, IPA and SELPA. Probably about 90% are refusing to work days off until there's a drastic improvement. So many are refusing easy money now in the hope of more rewards later.

CAE are a bunch of misers, and probably don't want to fork out money for a CCQ onto A320

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Old 12th Jul 2018, 09:56
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Recruitment

Itís an impressive amount of recruitment ads and mails they have had for the positions in SAIL, not to mention all the screening days...

And for what, 40 positions? Wonder what all that have cost...
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 11:33
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FOs in AGP make some 3300 euro net.
6/3 with some 65/70 hrs block time

make your own assumptions....
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 18:48
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From CAE Parc Aviation Facebook:

"Great day at CAE London Gatwick! Thank you to all our fantastic candidates who attended, and the very helpful CAE staff.

Next week we are in Manchester!

SAS Ireland our partner airline continue to grow and develop their London Heathrow base!

This is a perfect opportunity for Airbus Fleet Captains and A320 First Officers to enjoy a stable roster and be in command of the newest fleet of A320neo aircraft."

Continue to grow? Develop their LHR base? Stable Roster?

I have checked SAIL traffic regularity in our (SAS) system - it's quite an impressing amount of flights cancelled due to lack of flight deck crew, or delayed flight due to flight deck crew shortage.
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 15:10
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I heard the next A320 "EI-SIG" just did another "test flight" today and is planned to operate from Thursday this week.
Must have been some new crew joining?
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 16:05
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I heard the next A320 "EI-SIG" just did another "test flight" today and is planned to operate from Thursday this week.
Must have been some new crew joining?

I heard about cancellations due to lack of both flight crew and cabin crew due to very bad t&c...
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 16:15
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I heard about cancellations due to lack of both flight crew and cabin crew due to very bad t&c...
Was just chatting to a crew in Stockholm the other day who were there for basically a week of standby as they didn't have a captain for any flight they were originally on..
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 16:53
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Very high turnover of staff is always indicator of very bad t&c.

I think SAIL were very lucky to start the operation after Monarch bankruptcy.

However now with base in Malaga I don't see anybody who would be interested to work for them.

Only option would be very low hours guys straight after flight school, but they ask for min 500h on a320, so it doesn't work for them neither...

The main question is how much longer they will try to keep it working?
Another thing is why they don't even try to raise the t&c?
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 08:22
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Another thing is why they don't even try to raise the t&c?
Why, because lower T&C is the sum total of SAIL's reason for being. SAIL is an effort to circumvent the, relatively, high T&C enjoyed in Scandinavia. The most deplorable thing about SAIL is not the company itself, but rather accepting the thing becoming a reality by 'legacy' staff members. Someone posted a map of the routes expected to be flown by SAIL, and only a small proportion are to/from LHR and AGP - the rest is all around Europe and intra-Scandinavia. That's not how SAIL was initially sold to SAS employees, but anyone with just two functioning brain cells should have told themselves, that a fleet of 9 aircraft is way more than is needed to operate LHR-Scandi and AGP-Scandi.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 09:22
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I think we all realized quite quickly what the real intent of SAIL was. The unions have stood helpless watching this unfold with little they could, legally, do. One wonders if the current panic recruitment to mainline is a result of failed recruitment to SAIL. I read in the news today, for what it's worth, that 80 % of the SK-cancellations are due to the inability of SAIL and CityJet to deliver and mainline has stepped in to cover up.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 10:13
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OK, so is it very likely that SAS after the summer season will absorb SAIL a/c and close this experiment??
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 10:19
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No

No. SAS Will never admit anything wrong here. They will continue with the project and eventually get the crew needed. But the company will bleed for a while.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 11:01
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Meanwhile Norwegian have applied for a Swedish AOC which they expect to be granted by the fall, application to the US authorities may take a little longer.

Given the companies stated objective to streamline and harmonise AOC’s there is much speculation that the Swedish authorities will allow cross AOC flying by pilots from NAS/NAN/NUK the IAA are not so keen apparently.

maybe the grass is not so green in Ireland and after all
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