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Old 11th Apr 2018, 11:23
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Offering a Part Time Roster with 5/4/5/13 for a start-up airline that is started with the sole purpose of being cheaper for the owners, should be evidence that they are having a hard time finding "willing, able, suitable" candidates. There are MANY job offers for A320 drivers out there - why should anyone opt for the one with crap conditions?
1 - Basing in LHR or AGP is super important to you.
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2 - You got rejected elsewhere.

Regarding the new order of new A320s from SAS, anything mentioned about how many that will be deployed to SAIL?
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 12:21
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Regarding the new order of new A320s from SAS, anything mentioned about how many that will be deployed to SAIL?
Nil, as per SAS union agreement...
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 15:32
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Originally Posted by MD80rookie View Post
Offering a Part Time Roster with 5/4/5/13 for a start-up airline that is started with the sole purpose of being cheaper for the owners, should be evidence that they are having a hard time finding "willing, able, suitable" candidates. There are MANY job offers for A320 drivers out there - why should anyone opt for the one with crap conditions?
List five or more then? I and many other A320 drivers are looking hard to find the many you are talking about... And I am talking about jobs for first officers :-))

And just to clarify my previous post, I was of course talking about the salary in core Scandi vs. Ryanair...
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 16:26
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List five or more then? I and many other A320 drivers are looking hard to find the many you are talking about... And I am talking about jobs for first officers :-))

And just to clarify my previous post, I was of course talking about the salary in core Scandi vs. Ryanair...
1) easyJet
2) BA/IAG
3) Aer Lingus
4) Lufthansa/Eurowings
5) Air France
6) WOW
7) Wizz
8) Agean
...for starters -and that’s just in Europe
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 18:49
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1) easyJet
2) BA/IAG
3) Aer Lingus
4) Lufthansa/Eurowings
5) Air France
6) WOW
7) Wizz
8) Agean
...for starters -and that’s just in Europe
And you are sure that all of these provide better T/C`s than SAIL?
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 21:01
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And you are sure that all of these provide better T/C`s than SAIL?
Probably not. Aegean I don’t know to be honest. Wizz is probably similar whilst the rest are better. easyJet should be a non brainer but then again if you failed to get in (of which I’m certain) you’re stuck with the desperate operators such as SAIL. Anyone can get a typerating these days...
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 19:37
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Politics aside...

In mainline SAS we are now doing LHR flights AND layovers in Malaga, management admits that staffing resources in mainline are limited because of this - can anybody on the inside at SAIL shed light on the current staffing situation at SAIL?

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Old 16th Apr 2018, 21:13
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This might have something to do with the fact that the malaga base is not up and running yet.
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 21:24
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But why?
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 21:28
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Because SAIL is not getting enough crew? A lot of companies hiring and I don’t think it’s that easy to find crew on those T&Cs.

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Old 16th Apr 2018, 21:32
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MD80rookie: Malaga base is supposed to open from June.
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 22:32
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Lol.... If you have the same career and does the upgrade at the same time (which you have to assume in order to have any numbers to play with), then the gross salery in Scandi is waaaaay higher than Ryanair, even in the remote chance of working close to 900 a year in Ryan, especially the period as an FO. And that is not to mention the pension scheme in Scandiland...
Are you assuming that upgrade in Ryanair and upgrade in mainline SAS to be the same time wise? LOL play with the actual numbers, 3 years Fo in Ryan than LH seat and 15 years in SAS(with SAIL it may never happen) on the right before moving to the left, I don't have time to count but you will make at least 1 mil Euros more in Ryan if you start at a young age! Sure you will save some bucks on the free coffee. I used to work for another LCC pink outfit before moving back home to Scandinavia and Charter. Now I have free, meal, coffee, snacks, good salary, good colleagues and 15 years to upgrade. Is it worth it? Let me say it like this, if Easyjet opened a base in Scandinavia I would be the first to knock on their door, not because I do not like my job but this is still a job, If I can make 1 million Euros more for my retirement I would do it. Coffee snack all this crap is not important, base, salary and time spent at home is. Also another important thing, yes I flew 900h per year but I had only 1200h in duty time per year, only 10-13 days of actual work per month and even on workdays I was at home in my own bed every night. In LCC everything is optimised, 30min turnarounds, no hotels, pickups, deadhead and other bullshit that you get in SAS. In SAS you fly 800h per year but work 20 days a month!(almost) Who is more overworked? LCC or SAS? SAS is only good for old guys sitting on A330 and making 10 grand as FOs, for new joiners it utter crap! I know that there are worse outfits in Scandiland but its still shame.........
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 22:57
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matt283

But why?
Because not enough drivers...
Remember...BA and EZY recruiting...
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 07:55
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Because not enough drivers...
Remember...BA and EZY recruiting...
SAIL has now 6 a/c and plan to have 9 in total.

I have a feeling they will not struggle to get crew for such a small amount of a/c, considering that many drivers will be willing to take pay cut to be based in LHR or AGP with permanent roster pattern.
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Clicking through the various threads this morning reading updates an ad popped up from Small Planet offering €12.200 -15.500 “net” for “training instructors”. You know things are desperate when even the low ballers are starting to raise the bets like this.

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Old 17th Apr 2018, 09:23
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Clicking through the various threads this morning reading updates an ad popped up from Small Planet offering €12.200 -15.500 “net” for “training instructors”. You know things are desperate when even the low ballers are starting to raise the bets like this.

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Once again this unexpected salary in small planet is not what it is claimed to be.
Indeed this is a floating base not in Europe but world wide. It means that they will send guys where no body wants to go such as Bhutan, Saudi Arabia, India, Combodia etc... In winter time do not expect the 20/10 pattern and most probably more likely 6 months in those countries...

If you want a fair comparaison ask Small Planet their salaries details for a fix base.... Then you will realize that SAIL is not that bad...
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 09:28
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”Is” seems to change,..

Originally Posted by matt283 View Post
MD80rookie: Malaga base is supposed to open from June.
Initially the AGP base was supposed to open in the end of March... So I still think the original question is interesting..?
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 09:37
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It was a general statement about pay being offered from my side, not about necessarily comparing them in detail. If they didn’t have to they would’ve never offered these salaries.

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Old 17th Apr 2018, 09:44
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Lolo, I think you may had missed CP's point. He's saying that low-ballers raising the stakes is a sign of trade-winds changing. I agree.

Makes no difference the SPA sheet is just hype (you were probably too exhausted to add "it's GROSS" to your list). It's about what made them create one.

And SAIL feels the same pressure (email about 2 hrs ago):

Originally Posted by Work Pattern
  • Proposed roster pattern of 5 days on, followed by 4 days off, 5 days on, followed by 13 days off.
  • Staff Travel on SAS Network available after 6-month probation
Originally Posted by Payment
Average monthly Gross salary based on 52hrs- £6,104.25
  • Basic Salary – GBP£4,665.00 gross per month (Based on 30 b/h per
  • month)
  • Overtime per b/h – GBP£45.33 per b/h over 30
  • Overnight Allowance – GBP£51
  • Home Standby Allowance (should you fly) – GBP£125.00
  • Airport Standby Allowance (paid for duty) - GBP£125.00
  • Productivity Pay (Working day off pay Allowance): GBP£518.50** Trade Day
Let's call the above 6000 EUR for 5/4/5/13. If we think about it from a scheduler's perspective, observing the EASA mandatory no-duty days, with a bit of Excel magic: that's exactly 50% part-time.
  1. SPA obviously did their research (mostly imitating without understanding is what they do), and shot an advertisement of 10.000 EUR on 20/10 for 85 hrs - to catch the beholder's eye.
  2. SAIL admits being ready to spend 12000 EUR for 1x full-time LHR based pilot.

After Emirates no longer attractive? After MON and AIB gone? I wish what I see is true.

Let's hope all the methods of squeezing out money from the new cadets and line-training schemes are already exhausted, and our young future colleagues will not be made to pay for the above.

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Old 17th Apr 2018, 09:57
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Lolo, I think you may had missed CP's point. He's saying that low-ballers raising the stakes is a sign of trade-winds changing. I agree.

Makes no difference the SPA sheet is just hype (you were probably too exhausted to add "it's GROSS" to your list). It's about what made them do it.

And SAIL feels the same pressure (email about 2 hrs ago):

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Well that's a good sign here indeed... But we are still very far away from what we see in Asian, American or MEA airlines.
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