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Problem is that they consider you like a young cadet. You feel pressure for your command since the first day you go to the OCC sim BUT in the other hand it doesn't matter how you fly the maneouvers and approaches, how well can you fly an eng out profile. They look for the "excellence" in some stupid things that are completely out of my understanding. So now I'm in a point which I don't know honestly what this people is looking from me, becomes some comments are so ambiguous that you don't know what to do for improving your flying skills.
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RYR is confusing
Tomuchwork: I was based in Rome for 8 years, flying for Ryanair. I know you don't want to start a Ryanair-bashing session here, but it's pretty tough to talk about Ryanair without airing a bit of disgust. The reason you were not quoted any "hard figures" is simple: Ryanair does everything as underhandedly as possible, and then pops out with "Surprise! You're Screwed!" After it's too late. Working for Ryanair, you feel like you are working for a scam artist. It works best for those who really need their first flying job. Every contractual thing they offer you has a loophole in it for them and a "gotcha" for you. That said, your in-pocket captain pay at month's end, on Irish "Ryanair" employee contract (not signed onto one of their fake agencies) will be between €4000 and €6000 a month unless you cheat on your taxes, in which case it will be higher. The Ryanair-contract pilots who have been there a long time make more than that, but you won't get their contract. Ryanair has over 3,000 pilots and probably 1,000 different contracts to cover them. Rarely do two pilots fly together who are on the same kind of contract. In bocca al lupo!
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Annual Leave
I have a couple of questions regarding annual leave at Ryanair that I appreciate your inputs:
1. Can you request a specific month off or is it at description of the company (of course it should be in the winter)?
2. Can you bid for your annual leave days and, if so, when do you know if it was granted ?
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1. Can you request a specific month off or is it at description of the company (of course it should be in the winter)?
2. Can you bid for your annual leave days and, if so, when do you know if it was granted ?
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I have a couple of questions regarding annual leave at Ryanair that I appreciate your inputs:
1. Can you request a specific month off or is it at description of the company (of course it should be in the winter)?
2. Can you bid for your annual leave days and, if so, when do you know if it was granted ?
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1. Can you request a specific month off or is it at description of the company (of course it should be in the winter)?
2. Can you bid for your annual leave days and, if so, when do you know if it was granted ?
Happy landings
In regards to ad hoc leave, this is achieved through the online leave system through the crew dock portal.
All good in theory?
In practice, I was there for three years. Never had one of my choices for a month off approved.
I requested 23 separate ad hoc days during my time there. Only 3 days were approved!
Personally for me the leave system is a joke. Don't get me started with having a mandatory month off!! Following one month off I was told that I would have another month off two months later. You do not get paid on your months off as a contractor.
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Re The leave system
Is it still a month off and 10 days A/L to book when you like but with a poor system where you have to book them basically a year in advance and never likely to get summer leave.
Do Ryanair employés get the same as contractors now or do they get more A/L days.
Also are there any Floating 5/5 deals available for Captains still? If so which agency runs that.
Any improvement on the limited company stuff and forced accountants?
Is it still a month off and 10 days A/L to book when you like but with a poor system where you have to book them basically a year in advance and never likely to get summer leave.
Do Ryanair employés get the same as contractors now or do they get more A/L days.
Also are there any Floating 5/5 deals available for Captains still? If so which agency runs that.
Any improvement on the limited company stuff and forced accountants?
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Yep. That's the one! For my own stag party I booked 4 months in advance. Still no reply for 2 days leave a week before despite numerous queries. In the end, I told crew control I'd be taking it anyway as they had plenty of notice without the courtesy of a reply.
Guys on the RYR contract receive the same leave as the contractors.
Floaters are still available. I've seen them advertised as 'mobile' Captains. Storm McGinley are the only agency providing crews now, I believe.
Absolutely none in answer to your last question. I was informed that if I chose my own accountant, which is not illegal, they would not give me any work. You are forced to choose one of 3 accountants based in Ireland. Fingers crossed at some stage the authorities will knuckle down on them. Ex-Collegues of mine in Germany have been raided by customs officials due to the tax agreement with RYR and Ireland and RYR declare that the way crews handle their finances is nothing to do with them. It is laughable!
Guys on the RYR contract receive the same leave as the contractors.
Floaters are still available. I've seen them advertised as 'mobile' Captains. Storm McGinley are the only agency providing crews now, I believe.
Absolutely none in answer to your last question. I was informed that if I chose my own accountant, which is not illegal, they would not give me any work. You are forced to choose one of 3 accountants based in Ireland. Fingers crossed at some stage the authorities will knuckle down on them. Ex-Collegues of mine in Germany have been raided by customs officials due to the tax agreement with RYR and Ireland and RYR declare that the way crews handle their finances is nothing to do with them. It is laughable!
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Fingers crossed at some stage the authorities will knuckle down on them.
Why should they unless someone switches their light on? There was a thread on another topic, but what it boiled down to is that the management will not do anything about a subject, e.g. lousy rostering, if no-one writes a report outlining what is at fault. With out complaints there is no problem. The authorities work the same way. Their inbox is overflowing. They do not look for work.
Why should they unless someone switches their light on? There was a thread on another topic, but what it boiled down to is that the management will not do anything about a subject, e.g. lousy rostering, if no-one writes a report outlining what is at fault. With out complaints there is no problem. The authorities work the same way. Their inbox is overflowing. They do not look for work.
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Very true, RAT 5. Couldn't agree more. The fear culture prevents this.
RYR could be one of the best companies to work for if they would just give their crews a proper contract and fix the leave system. Just a few changes would reduce the poisonous atmosphere which is undoubtedly present. But for that, I believe, some of the upper echelons of management would have to disappear.
RYR could be one of the best companies to work for if they would just give their crews a proper contract and fix the leave system. Just a few changes would reduce the poisonous atmosphere which is undoubtedly present. But for that, I believe, some of the upper echelons of management would have to disappear.
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Tomuchwork: I was based in Rome for 8 years, flying for Ryanair. I know you don't want to start a Ryanair-bashing session here, but it's pretty tough to talk about Ryanair without airing a bit of disgust. The reason you were not quoted any "hard figures" is simple: Ryanair does everything as underhandedly as possible, and then pops out with "Surprise! You're Screwed!" After it's too late. Working for Ryanair, you feel like you are working for a scam artist. It works best for those who really need their first flying job. Every contractual thing they offer you has a loophole in it for them and a "gotcha" for you. That said, your in-pocket captain pay at month's end, on Irish "Ryanair" employee contract (not signed onto one of their fake agencies) will be between €4000 and €6000 a month unless you cheat on your taxes, in which case it will be higher. The Ryanair-contract pilots who have been there a long time make more than that, but you won't get their contract. Ryanair has over 3,000 pilots and probably 1,000 different contracts to cover them. Rarely do two pilots fly together who are on the same kind of contract. In bocca al lupo!
1 to 2 k ?
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FO RYR contract you make 3500 to 4000 Euros net flying around 80 hours.
Captain on Mcginley or RYR contract makes around 5500 Euros for 60 hours more or less. IF you pay the taxes correctly (40% of your gross salary) if you start to play with the taxes of course you can make 7 or even 8k BUT you are not paying the correct amount of taxes and you are living with the fear that probably one day someone is going to audit and knock your door.
That's the ... reality. Doing everything legal a Captain makes 1000 Euros more than you.
Captain on Mcginley or RYR contract makes around 5500 Euros for 60 hours more or less. IF you pay the taxes correctly (40% of your gross salary) if you start to play with the taxes of course you can make 7 or even 8k BUT you are not paying the correct amount of taxes and you are living with the fear that probably one day someone is going to audit and knock your door.
That's the ... reality. Doing everything legal a Captain makes 1000 Euros more than you.
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The average take home pay for sure depends on the tax situation of the country you are resident and your personal situation.
For example, a married pilot with family on a Ryanair contract (Irish based contract) living in another European country where he/she is resident and where the spouse is working, how does irish authorities consider this pilot for income tax purposes, married single income or married both spouses with income?
I was wondering how Ryanair cope with withholdig income tax on certain countries regarding local laws about domestic flights. Do they divide all the gross income by the block hours flown and then apply the tax, or they use another complex formula that you'll never be able to understand?
Out of curiosity, my current lot will start paying for the actual block hours flown. They will rely on the voyage report filled by the flight crew. How does that work at Ryanair?
For example, a married pilot with family on a Ryanair contract (Irish based contract) living in another European country where he/she is resident and where the spouse is working, how does irish authorities consider this pilot for income tax purposes, married single income or married both spouses with income?
I was wondering how Ryanair cope with withholdig income tax on certain countries regarding local laws about domestic flights. Do they divide all the gross income by the block hours flown and then apply the tax, or they use another complex formula that you'll never be able to understand?
Out of curiosity, my current lot will start paying for the actual block hours flown. They will rely on the voyage report filled by the flight crew. How does that work at Ryanair?
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FO RYR contract you make 3500 to 4000 Euros net flying around 80 hours.
Captain on Mcginley or RYR contract makes around 5500 Euros for 60 hours more or less. IF you pay the taxes correctly (40% of your gross salary) if you start to play with the taxes of course you can make 7 or even 8k BUT you are not paying the correct amount of taxes and you are living with the fear that probably one day someone is going to audit and knock your door.
That's the f... reality. Doing everything legal a Captain makes 1000 Euros more than you.
Captain on Mcginley or RYR contract makes around 5500 Euros for 60 hours more or less. IF you pay the taxes correctly (40% of your gross salary) if you start to play with the taxes of course you can make 7 or even 8k BUT you are not paying the correct amount of taxes and you are living with the fear that probably one day someone is going to audit and knock your door.
That's the f... reality. Doing everything legal a Captain makes 1000 Euros more than you.
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If you are FO, even a Captain forgive Brookfield. You gonna work with Mcginley. As far as I know there is 3 Accountable Managers available to be with you as "co-owner" of your "company". It depend of your luck but seems to be that some of them are more permissive than others.
I prefer to work under RYR contract and sleep well every night and pay the expenses for my situation, which are around 24% of your gross salary by table. The FO´s that I know under Mcginley are doing much money every month than me but I don´t know how they declare and how much they declare but for sure that they earn considerably more than me.
I prefer to work under RYR contract and sleep well every night and pay the expenses for my situation, which are around 24% of your gross salary by table. The FO´s that I know under Mcginley are doing much money every month than me but I don´t know how they declare and how much they declare but for sure that they earn considerably more than me.