Easyjet brexit

[Wageslave]

If Britain leaves the EU can anyone seriously imagine the EU locos tolerating Easyjet retaining it's trading rights as though nothing has happened? Imagine Ryanair's reaction for instance - why the **** should Easy continue to trade freely and unmolested in the EU once the UK has pulled out? It's ridiculous to even imagine that could happen. How could that be tolerated? A rhetorical question of course because it simply could not be. At best Easy would be made to pay huge sums for each route licence and even they would not be granted unless the bona-fide EU locos were not disadvantaged, would they? Further route licences would not materialise and Easy would be progressively marginalised as Caroline has intimated. She knows, she's no fool. And Europe would be left covered by that outfit from an unmentionable bog-land west of wales plus dross like Wizz, german wings, vueling etc. Ack! What a prospect!

Wake up people, this isn't a laughing matter.

[Thad Jarvis]

And if that were to happen EasyJet (EU) Ltd would appear overnight based in the cheapest possible backwater of Europe to do exactly the same thing it did 24hrs earlier without restriction. Trade works both ways and so does tit-for-tatting. In the scenario you suggest what makes you think the EU loco's would get an easier ride in the UK than easyJet would in Europe?
The reality would heavily involve the status quo. Don't kid yourself that easyJet is under any big threat in the case of a Brexit. What it might involve is a lot of paperwork and strategy revision. That's work the board could do without but they'll do it if need be and is unlikely to effect long term growth.

[seen_the_box]

If Britain leaves the EU can anyone seriously imagine the EU locos tolerating Easyjet retaining it's trading rights as though nothing has happened?

As has already been mentioned, the EU won't have any choice once easyJet EU (Hungary) is up and running.

[kungfu panda]

1.A non EU operator to operate within Europe even under for example the guise of being Easyjet (Hungary), financially it needs to be 51% EU money.


2. From the day after Brexit, UK (non-EU) Pilots will not have any automatic right to live and work in Europe. Pilots will be hoping that each individual country sets up a new bureaucratic system to issue them work permits and put them onto local taxation.


I understand that Britain will also have to provide work permits for Europeans based in the UK but as it is Britain leaving the EU it would follow that Britain will be ready to do that. Other nations will not.




Don't be under any illusion: a British Pilots with a non-EU passport will be worth a lot less throughout his career. A Brexit will cost UK Pilots very, very Dearly.

[Alsacienne]

And yes the Europeans will cut off their noses to spite their faces.

Perhaps they had some prior instruction in doing so from others not residing on the continental landmass called Europe? (Empire builders for a start, and others somewhat further across the waters too ...?)

[JosuaNkomo]

How long will the EU last in the event of Brexit given the following "threats"

1. Migration and open borders.
2. Economic disparity between Germany and Italy,Spain,Portugal not to mention the basket case that is France.
3. Traditional Greek and Turkish tensions exacerbated by migration.
4. Ukraine and Russia.

The EU is not the Utopia some seem to think it is.

[kungfu panda]

Please mods put the non Pilot posts onto Jet blast. This thread is very important and regards how a Brexit will effect EasyJet and Pilots generally. It is a very applicable thread for terms and conditions. Other non Pilot arguments are irrelevant and posted in the wrong place.

[Bueno Hombre]

Life goes on

Don't be depressed. Life will go on after Brexit. We would only need a good leader who could make and execute deals.
I thought it might be Cameron, but I've been wrong before and might be wrong again.

[Bueno Hombre]

"Don't be under any illusion: a British Pilots with a non-EU passport will be worth a lot less throughout his career. A Brexit will cost UK Pilots very, very Dearly."


Maintain his salary perhaps but destroy his homeland . Ist Gut ?

[blackbeard1]

Wizz Air

Have I out the plot? I always thought they were Hungarian.

[Sheba29]

if that were to happen EasyJet (EU) Ltd would appear overnight based in the cheapest possible backwater of Europe to do exactly the same thing it did 24hrs earlier without restriction. Trade works both ways and so does tit-for-tatting. In the scenario you suggest what makes you think the EU loco's would get an easier ride in the UK than easyJet would in Europe?

Isn’t that a horribly self-defeating and miserablist argument in favour Brexit?

If you are an EJ employee, why on earth would you reason in favour of Brexit by thinking ‘no worries, EJ can shut down its UK operation, set up in Eastern Europe instead, pay its taxes to the treasury of whichever country it re-establishes itself in, possibly base me there instead (on local wages), all in the name of regaining UK sovereignty’.

I understand why people think that somehow Brexit will be a return to long-lost, mostly imagined glory days, but the argument put forward by the ‘Gove-Johnson’ school of Brexit will decrease the UK’s sovereignty, not increase it, and is probably not practically possible anyway.

Whatever your heart says, the only thing an EJ employee (or anyone else in aviation)’s head can really tell them is to vote to remain, imperfect though that is. There’s a very simple argument that seems to be missing here; that the airline industry (and thus the livelihood of anyone working in it) depends on the free movement of people. The more people are able to travel freely, the more they will travel, and the more they travel, the more secure your salary is. Brexit will inevitably involve putting up some barriers; less immigration to the UK, fewer students from Europe, fewer British people going to retire in Spain etc.

When confronted with these arguments, people either revert to the ‘Gove-Johnson’ argument, above, or they say ‘we’ll trade with India and China instead’. Well the latter is no better, because – if you work in aviation – this will benefit middle east carriers, not UK locos.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, remaining in the EU is the worst option, except for all the others that are available.

[Bueno Hombre]

Exchange lazy Brits with mosque worshippers ?
What about our Island Homeland ?

[cumbrianboy]

This is an interesting debate, but equally what would happen to Ryanair if UK exits the EU?

The irish (EU) airline with it's largest bases in the UK, no longer part of the union … could also spell trouble for FR ...

[blackbeard1]

Wizz Air

Thanks for that, you learn something new every day.

[polax52]

Originally Posted by Syntax Error

First, an EU exit, would not happen overnight, there would not be a Referendum, and then suddenly UK are out of the EU. It would take years to phase this to OUT of EU. During this time mutual trade agreements would have to be made.

Well talking of Stupid and unintelligent, that statement is an assumption and not based on knowledge.

We don't know what happens after the vote to Brexit, its the classic law of unintended consequences.
It's not even sure that British airlines could continue to operate flights immediately to the United States as the Bilateral is with the EU and not the UK.

The merciful Americans would allow us to continue business as usual of course though?

[stalling attitude]

But then surely that works the other way as well? The US has its agreement with the EU so wouldn't be able to fly to the UK without a new agreement.

[Superpilot]

Back on topic slightly

Question: How would EasyJet recruit pilots for it's UK bases. Today it relies on a very large pool of new European pilots who can be employed ahead of a Brit with the same qualification (but done in a different way, aka modular) without any questions asked.

[polax52]

Originally Posted by Superpilot

Back on topic slightly

Question: How would EasyJet recruit pilots for it's UK bases. Today it relies on a very large pool of new European pilots who can be employed ahead of a Brit with the same qualification (but done in a different way, aka modular) without any questions asked.

My experience working in European Low costs based in Europe has been that the majority of Pilots in those bases were Brits certainly as compared to any other individual country. That was a few years ago though. I would imagine Pilots forced to return to the UK would swamp the market in the UK with cheap Pilots. So no requirement for foreign modular course guys.

[polax52]

Originally Posted by stalling attitude

But then surely that works the other way as well? The US has its agreement with the EU so wouldn't be able to fly to the UK without a new agreement.

That's true but without the agreement you would, theoretically, ground a large number of British Aircraft and only a small number of American aircraft, in percentage terms. You are therefore negotiating in emergency fashion and in a position of weakness.Don't underestimate the power of US Airlines and unions to force a deal heavily favourable to themselves.

[LlamaFarmer]

Originally Posted by Superpilot

Back on topic slightly

Question: How would EasyJet recruit pilots for it's UK bases. Today it relies on a very large pool of new European pilots who can be employed ahead of a Brit with the same qualification (but done in a different way, aka modular) without any questions asked.

I don't think there'd be any trouble of that. There are plenty of UK pilots coming out of the integrated training schools that EZY would happily snap up, and stick on a SBH cadet contract.


Side note, I wonder what would happen to one of those big UK training schools (FTE based in Spain) if Brexit happens.