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Old 14th Sep 2015, 22:49
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Looks like pilots are ok for a while:-

Will a robot take your job?
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 04:45
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Nope.

Robots ain't that stupid.
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 05:46
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Hi Bob, the technology has been available for several years already. Google G-BWWW for info. I used to fly that airframe before it became a test bed for this stuff.

Around the world it is incompetent pilots that cause the accidents. Our era is over.
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 06:17
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Intelligent machines: Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34118482

There goes my fall-back plan...
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 06:18
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I think you are forgetting one large element in all of this:

Humans design computers.

Until computers are designed purely by Lord God Buddha, Allah, Jehovah or whatever takes your fancy then the they will ALWAYS be subject to the same human errors that cause pilots to crash aeroplanes.

If aeroplanes still crash when there is NO pilot on board then which scenario do you think the general public will trust - a computer or a human controlled aeroplane.

Lots of engineers on the ground alone cannot fix an airborne problem - where is the resilience in the system without the expertise of a specialist at the source of the problem?
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 06:45
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In many cases it's already been reduced to trained monkey, so...........
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 07:22
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Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat View Post
I think you are forgetting one large element in all of this:

Humans design computers.

Until computers are designed purely by Lord God Buddha, Allah, Jehovah or whatever takes your fancy then the they will ALWAYS be subject to the same human errors that cause pilots to crash aeroplanes.
Exactly.

It's just the same with pocket calculators.

Humans design pocket calculators.

That is why they will ALWAYS be subject to the same human errors which cause people to get arithmetic wrong.....

Oh. Wait....No...

That's all complete [email protected] isn't it......?
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 07:34
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I can see robots taking over the cargo flights, but I think passengers like the reassurance of having a couple of pilots up front (whether or not it should be reassuring is another thing). More likely is single pilot ops with remote oversight. I think however that may cause a spike in mental health issues... it's going to be a lonely place up there.
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With any luck, yes they will.
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We're a long way off. Even the RPAS/drones flying around now aren't pilotless, the pilot has just been relocated. In terms of manpower they are at least as labour intensive as manned aircraft.

Silver hawk, assuming you weren't just trying to start an argument with your ignorant post about incompetent pilots perhaps you'd explain why unmanned aircraft accident rates are massively higher than for manned ones.
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 08:15
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The category doesn't really fit ... it says "aircraft pilots and flight engineers".

I don't know if they mean those 25 % losing their jobs to automation within 20 years will be the flight engineers, but for a flight engineer, the risk of losing the job to automation within the next 20 years is close to 100 percent ...
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 08:33
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We're a long way off. Even the RPAS/drones flying around now aren't pilotless, the pilot has just been relocated. In terms of manpower they are at least as labour intensive as manned aircraft.
That's just not true at all is it.

Why do people post on here without even a moments google to find out if they are going to talk utter [email protected]?


Even some of the tiny toys used in Afghanistan have no pilot, merely a mouse-click on a computer screen map.
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.....and of course we have had autonomous drones for decades, even used them in many wars.

They are called cruise missiles.

They find their way to their target area, identify the target and then hit it.
All without human input.
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 08:39
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Probably not because a bank won't give a loan to a robot in order to pay for a type rating.
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 09:28
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LLuCCiFeR

Yup, re-evaluated, and added you to the list.


Again I say google is your friend.

Reaper and Predator are indeed flown from the ground.

Many many others are not, as even a cursory glance at google will show.

Desert Hawk is mouse click after take-off and is old hat.

This is slightly bigger.

Robocopter arrives | The Economist

The list is growing all the time
X-47B
Taranis

This is an autonomous helicopter planning it's own route to an unbriefed landing in a clearing.

This is orders of magnitude more technically difficult than flying an airliner from A to B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoCFE8xVhKA
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 11:33
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I can see robots taking over the cargo flights,

There was a study many years ago, and I wonder where it is now. The Soviet Union had developed High wing amphibian a/c with over wing engines for cargo flights. The idea was they would take of & land on water and fly in ground effect similar to the Albatross. Indeed that might have been their name. Slow ponderous transoceanic a/c., but at lower fuel burn/kg than a conventional freight a/c and faster than ship. They could fly on a preprogrammed route as per a cruise missile, but still controlled as an RPV via satellite. Ship avoidance was an issue, but perhaps an onboard radar system would solve that. Weather systems and jet streams were of less significance; although low level storms and high waves might make it interesting, but no sick bags required. Any losses would be purely financial and insurance would take care of those.
Take off and landing at sea would negate any fiddly performance issues such as climb % etc. No V1 just full power and go. No noise issues except for fish. They could be taxied, takeoff, landed under local visual RPV control and monitored en-route via a central RPV control.
So what did happen to the idea?
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There was a study many years ago, and I wonder where it is now. The Soviet Union had developed High wing amphibian a/c with over wing engines for cargo flights. The idea was they would take of & land on water and fly in ground effect similar to the Albatross. Indeed that might have been their name. Slow ponderous transoceanic a/c., but at lower fuel burn/kg than a conventional freight a/c and faster than ship. They could fly on a preprogrammed route as per a cruise missile, but still controlled as an RPV via satellite. Ship avoidance was an issue, but perhaps an onboard radar system would solve that. Weather systems and jet streams were of less significance; although low level storms and high waves might make it interesting, but no sick bags required. Any losses would be purely financial and insurance would take care of those.
Take off and landing at sea would negate any fiddly performance issues such as climb % etc. No V1 just full power and go. No noise issues except for fish. They could be taxied, takeoff, landed under local visual RPV control and monitored en-route via a central RPV control.
So what did happen to the idea?
Are you talking about Ekranoplans? Like the A90 Orlyonok?

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Old 15th Sep 2015, 13:38
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It certainly will.
it is not the case now, simply due to costs, however if one day it costs cheaper then pilots, yes for sure.
One big reason : no more limits, no more rules about flight hours duties, no complain from pilots, no calls for this or that, no strikes, no call sick, no more alcohol problems or suicide problem etc...

Actually it started. Copilots pay for working and follow strict procedures without much thinking like a robot could do it. Many things a PM (pnf) do can be done by a robot (lights, gear up, calls out, fasten seat belt...) just need to program it.
Making copilots pay, is a first step to remove copilots (at least economically).
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 16:14
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Are you talking about Ekranoplans? Like the A90 Orlyonok?

I can't remember, but I did see photos of a water bomber with this configuration. The article continued that research was being done on a huge ground effect freight a/c that could ply their trade over the oceans 24/7. They might not have been pilotless, but with todays RPV technology there is no reason why not.
Airline managers already treat pilots as machines. They treat pax like muppets who will chase the lowest price. Just think where crews would be without FTL's. It would be frightening. 18hr a/c with triple autopilots and 1 crew. It's not long ago, in Italy, that I flew under outrageous tiring FTL's; way wosre than current EASA rules that have pushed boundaries of CAP371. Self service pax drinks machines, or bring your own grub. If managers could turn the a/c into an airborne train with 1 driver and no cabin crew they would do it.
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 06:06
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Lucifer

Are you just going to move on and pretend your last post wasn't proved false?

When you make a statement, it is normal in polite society to at least provide some references that back up your theory.....
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