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Pilot shortage - the airlines fault.

Old 5th Sep 2015, 05:26
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Pilot shortage - the airlines fault.

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Old 5th Sep 2015, 06:11
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Welcome to capitalism. The race to the bottom, bought to you by the country that pays waitresses $2 per hour and expects paying customers to pay the waitress as well!!

maybe the pilots can put out tip jars too!
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 06:51
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Speaking of tips I remeber I flew a Saudi Prince on a charter in a BBJ and at the end of the flight handed me an brown envelope which contained 62,000 USD in 100 dollar bills!
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 07:25
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It's true that there can be pretty good perks that go undeclared to the tax department. I once found a copy of last months 'Men's Health' magazine in 2 Charlie after the pax had deplaned. Sweeeeeeet.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 07:40
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Framer - I'm happy if I find some unused ear plugs!

Does that trump your glossy mag?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 17:49
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The best tip I ever got was "flare sooner".
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 23:19
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Best tip I ever got was 'don't take the power off so soon'. Worked wonders.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 00:08
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At least in the U.S. There isn't any pay to fly or paying for your own training crap going on.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 00:57
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Don't worry guys the US airlines have come up with a plan that will solve their pilot shortage, and it won't cost them a penny ... in fact they can probably push their wages even lower

http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...regionals.html
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 11:35
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Jesus christ, why did i have to be born in Spain??
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 15:11
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@Rick77: Don't come over all whiter than white us Americans are great nonsense. Isn't one of the largest P2F companies Tamiami based (ie American)?

Isn't it American regionals who pay peanuts and have crews hot bedding in doss houses and living in trailers in airport carparks?
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 16:08
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Rick, Eagle jet, is in US by the way... lol!!
Regionals pay peanuts and many pilots have a miserable life.
There is no pilots shortage, there only are pilots who are not interested in this kind of life anymore. Simple.

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Old 7th Sep 2015, 16:40
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I never said we have a perfect system. The regionals have taken advantage of a glut of pilots willing to work for peanuts for a long time. They are hurting now that the majors are hiring so nobody stays there any longer that they have to to get the hours to move up. I and a lot of other people have been saying there is no pilot shortage. There is just a shortage of pilots willing to work for the wages offered.
Yes there is an outfit in Florida that does pay to fly, but they are more of a training operation than an actual airline. I wonder how the 1500 hour rule affects them since obviously no one with 1500 hrs would pay to fly.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 16:59
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For comparison what is the pay in an American Mcdonalds at the airport if working a 40 hr week? Then deduct the costs of being a pilot (hotels, food, travel etc)
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 20:34
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The biggest problem IMHO with regionals is the oft unsuspecting pax who buys a ticket on major XYZ at major prices and ends up on a puddle jumper with diddly squat experience up front on a nasty night into nasty airfield. I'm not sure it is what they sign up for. OK the small print says the initial carrier can sub-lease the flight to whoever they been fit; usually the cheapest option. All are certified by the relevant XAA. However, as has been seen in EU after the Manx crash at Cork, no-one knew who the hell was in charge of looking after whom & what at any given time. It was as convoluted a snake as any major financial organisation who is trying to hide its true self. Perhaps this was also the case in the Manx scenario. It did seem someone might have been trying to not play b the rules and the rule makers lost the plot in complacency.
I once bought a ticket SOU to AMS and ended up on an excellent Scott airways F27 at a higher price than KLM jet from LHR. When I questioned the price I was told I was paying for being transported from UK to AMS, period. This was a 50 seat a/c, not a 200 seat a/c; therefore the economy of scale was in play. True, but the costs involved, i.e. salary, a/c costs, were far less than the big boys jets, but the ticket price was higher.
It is a fact in our industry that the most skilful of people do not get the best rewards. Highlands & islands is a specialised job for the skilful and they get peanuts. Mundane mega jets into major hubs is less demanding. The guys are better trained and better rewarded. Correct? an endless debate. However, the pax buys the ticket ignorant, and expects equal service. The do not get it. Various regional disasters have proved the point.
It is also the case whereby a pax buys a ticket on a local renowned career and gets subleased onto a very shaky foreign outfit. Chewing gum & string Heath Robinson under another XAA's scrutiny. The pax has blind faith in the system. How many times have the been let down?
So it is in the interest of the big boys to sublet their business to cheaper small operators. The ticket price is high, the costs are lower, profits are up. Are the XAA's really doing their job in this cut throat world?
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 21:36
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Posted by Rick777:


"I never said we have a perfect system. The regionals have taken advantage of a glut of pilots willing to work for peanuts for a long time. They are hurting now that the majors are hiring so nobody stays there any longer that they have to to get the hours to move up. I and a lot of other people have been saying there is no pilot shortage. There is just a shortage of pilots willing to work for the wages offered.
Yes there is an outfit in Florida that does pay to fly, but they are more of a training operation than an actual airline. I wonder how the 1500 hour rule affects them since obviously no one with 1500 hrs would pay to fly."


As advertised on their front page, Eagle Jet International, Inc. , it looks they use actual airlines.
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 22:07
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Actually, it would be very stupid to organize P2F with empty planes...lol!!
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 15:35
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Before 1500 hour rule how many hours were required in the US to fly for Part 121 airlines ?
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 17:51
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Originally Posted by YLpilot View Post
Before 1500 hour rule how many hours were required in the US to fly for Part 121 airlines ?
Commercial license, 250 hours. Having said that, in the last 20 years the vast majority of the pilots getting hired at 121, both regional and legacy had over 2000 hours.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 19:11
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De facto 1500 rule was unofficially already in use even before 2013 ?
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