Pilot shortage - the airlines fault.
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From: Blighty
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Welcome to capitalism. The race to the bottom, bought to you by the country that pays waitresses $2 per hour and expects paying customers to pay the waitress as well!!
maybe the pilots can put out tip jars too!
maybe the pilots can put out tip jars too!
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It's true that there can be pretty good perks that go undeclared to the tax department. I once found a copy of last months 'Men's Health' magazine in 2 Charlie after the pax had deplaned. Sweeeeeeet.
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From: Domaine de la Romanee-Conti
Don't worry guys the US airlines have come up with a plan that will solve their pilot shortage, and it won't cost them a penny ... in fact they can probably push their wages even lower 
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...regionals.html
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...regionals.html
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@Rick77: Don't come over all whiter than white us Americans are great nonsense. Isn't one of the largest P2F companies Tamiami based (ie American)?
Isn't it American regionals who pay peanuts and have crews hot bedding in doss houses and living in trailers in airport carparks?
Isn't it American regionals who pay peanuts and have crews hot bedding in doss houses and living in trailers in airport carparks?
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Rick, Eagle jet, is in US by the way... lol!!
Regionals pay peanuts and many pilots have a miserable life.
There is no pilots shortage, there only are pilots who are not interested in this kind of life anymore. Simple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL3QV5XK4g8
Regionals pay peanuts and many pilots have a miserable life.
There is no pilots shortage, there only are pilots who are not interested in this kind of life anymore. Simple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL3QV5XK4g8
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I never said we have a perfect system. The regionals have taken advantage of a glut of pilots willing to work for peanuts for a long time. They are hurting now that the majors are hiring so nobody stays there any longer that they have to to get the hours to move up. I and a lot of other people have been saying there is no pilot shortage. There is just a shortage of pilots willing to work for the wages offered.
Yes there is an outfit in Florida that does pay to fly, but they are more of a training operation than an actual airline. I wonder how the 1500 hour rule affects them since obviously no one with 1500 hrs would pay to fly.
Yes there is an outfit in Florida that does pay to fly, but they are more of a training operation than an actual airline. I wonder how the 1500 hour rule affects them since obviously no one with 1500 hrs would pay to fly.
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The biggest problem IMHO with regionals is the oft unsuspecting pax who buys a ticket on major XYZ at major prices and ends up on a puddle jumper with diddly squat experience up front on a nasty night into nasty airfield. I'm not sure it is what they sign up for. OK the small print says the initial carrier can sub-lease the flight to whoever they been fit; usually the cheapest option. All are certified by the relevant XAA. However, as has been seen in EU after the Manx crash at Cork, no-one knew who the hell was in charge of looking after whom & what at any given time. It was as convoluted a snake as any major financial organisation who is trying to hide its true self. Perhaps this was also the case in the Manx scenario. It did seem someone might have been trying to not play b the rules and the rule makers lost the plot in complacency.
I once bought a ticket SOU to AMS and ended up on an excellent Scott airways F27 at a higher price than KLM jet from LHR. When I questioned the price I was told I was paying for being transported from UK to AMS, period. This was a 50 seat a/c, not a 200 seat a/c; therefore the economy of scale was in play. True, but the costs involved, i.e. salary, a/c costs, were far less than the big boys jets, but the ticket price was higher.
It is a fact in our industry that the most skilful of people do not get the best rewards. Highlands & islands is a specialised job for the skilful and they get peanuts. Mundane mega jets into major hubs is less demanding. The guys are better trained and better rewarded. Correct? an endless debate. However, the pax buys the ticket ignorant, and expects equal service. The do not get it. Various regional disasters have proved the point.
It is also the case whereby a pax buys a ticket on a local renowned career and gets subleased onto a very shaky foreign outfit. Chewing gum & string Heath Robinson under another XAA's scrutiny. The pax has blind faith in the system. How many times have the been let down?
So it is in the interest of the big boys to sublet their business to cheaper small operators. The ticket price is high, the costs are lower, profits are up. Are the XAA's really doing their job in this cut throat world?
I once bought a ticket SOU to AMS and ended up on an excellent Scott airways F27 at a higher price than KLM jet from LHR. When I questioned the price I was told I was paying for being transported from UK to AMS, period. This was a 50 seat a/c, not a 200 seat a/c; therefore the economy of scale was in play. True, but the costs involved, i.e. salary, a/c costs, were far less than the big boys jets, but the ticket price was higher.
It is a fact in our industry that the most skilful of people do not get the best rewards. Highlands & islands is a specialised job for the skilful and they get peanuts. Mundane mega jets into major hubs is less demanding. The guys are better trained and better rewarded. Correct? an endless debate. However, the pax buys the ticket ignorant, and expects equal service. The do not get it. Various regional disasters have proved the point.
It is also the case whereby a pax buys a ticket on a local renowned career and gets subleased onto a very shaky foreign outfit. Chewing gum & string Heath Robinson under another XAA's scrutiny. The pax has blind faith in the system. How many times have the been let down?
So it is in the interest of the big boys to sublet their business to cheaper small operators. The ticket price is high, the costs are lower, profits are up. Are the XAA's really doing their job in this cut throat world?
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From: Charanga y pandereta
Posted by Rick777:
"I never said we have a perfect system. The regionals have taken advantage of a glut of pilots willing to work for peanuts for a long time. They are hurting now that the majors are hiring so nobody stays there any longer that they have to to get the hours to move up. I and a lot of other people have been saying there is no pilot shortage. There is just a shortage of pilots willing to work for the wages offered.
Yes there is an outfit in Florida that does pay to fly, but they are more of a training operation than an actual airline. I wonder how the 1500 hour rule affects them since obviously no one with 1500 hrs would pay to fly."
As advertised on their front page, Eagle Jet International, Inc. , it looks they use actual airlines.
"I never said we have a perfect system. The regionals have taken advantage of a glut of pilots willing to work for peanuts for a long time. They are hurting now that the majors are hiring so nobody stays there any longer that they have to to get the hours to move up. I and a lot of other people have been saying there is no pilot shortage. There is just a shortage of pilots willing to work for the wages offered.
Yes there is an outfit in Florida that does pay to fly, but they are more of a training operation than an actual airline. I wonder how the 1500 hour rule affects them since obviously no one with 1500 hrs would pay to fly."
As advertised on their front page, Eagle Jet International, Inc. , it looks they use actual airlines.
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