Ryanair - Current Pay Scale and UK Basing Options
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Ryanair - Current Pay Scale and UK Basing Options
Is there anyone out there with up to date knowledge on:
Pay scale for direct entry Pilot (FO 5000+hrs) on a FR UK contract.
Are the rumours of accelerated command (6 months) true?
Current base choices/offers
Average flying hours for the last 12 months.
Vacation entitlement and availabilty.
I would also like to know if working conditions have got any better since 2012. (previous employee).
Thanks.
Pay scale for direct entry Pilot (FO 5000+hrs) on a FR UK contract.
Are the rumours of accelerated command (6 months) true?
Current base choices/offers
Average flying hours for the last 12 months.
Vacation entitlement and availabilty.
I would also like to know if working conditions have got any better since 2012. (previous employee).
Thanks.
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No knowledge, but here's a good guess:
- FR UK contract is not great basic pay, but with allowances and base agreement you take almost double compared to what's on paper on offer, don't expect thus a large basic pay;
- Accelerated command, please define, as company allows high hour FOs relatively fast upgrades regardless. Usually it means one winter (or part thereof) and 2 LCKs, the first of which is already after your OCC (500 hours rings a bell from forum reads as well), your second LCK is 3 months after initial LCK. Thus if you start in spring you may have a bit of a wait until winter criteria are satisfied, but if starting in late summer you will be on line in autumn, have second LCK in winter, job's a good one within 6 months (one example ). Plenty of courses for upgrade available with expansion next year, 50 aircraft I think, possibly split as part replacement, part fleet growth;
- Current base offers are subject to demand and may not be UK bases as majority of bases simply are not in UK and some UK bases have waiting lists for FOs to return to UK, however, sometimes you can be lucky or get a relative fast transfer to UK. If you are offered a UK FR deal, you will be based in UK by definition, as UK FR deals are UK base bound, thus you will not be a contractor but employee and operate out of your determined base only (99.99% of time);
- Average hours depend on base, some have lots of training going on, others less so, aircraft in base, crew already in base, etc. But safely aim for 700-850 hours with most bases operating local base agreements enabling 5 on / 4 off, alternating early or late rotations;
- Vacation entitlement as follows, one calendar month (in low season, but not during your sim month) mandatory to be chosen in preferred order by you, awarded subject to others in your base requesting the same month (e.g. December is for more often bid then e.g. November), plus a number of days you can request at random, in block of no more than 3 at a time, all awarded/declined subject to base availability, which thus may mean that a request denied initially may be available in a few months due crew movements if in a big crew base like e.g. STN;
Working conditions have, like FR customer service levels, been on the rise in last few years, slowly improving over time, more base transfers accomplished, more information forthcoming from FOPs, personal iPads, ... Would like to think that FR realise they have to treat staff better in order to retain them in order to sustain proposed growth.
- FR UK contract is not great basic pay, but with allowances and base agreement you take almost double compared to what's on paper on offer, don't expect thus a large basic pay;
- Accelerated command, please define, as company allows high hour FOs relatively fast upgrades regardless. Usually it means one winter (or part thereof) and 2 LCKs, the first of which is already after your OCC (500 hours rings a bell from forum reads as well), your second LCK is 3 months after initial LCK. Thus if you start in spring you may have a bit of a wait until winter criteria are satisfied, but if starting in late summer you will be on line in autumn, have second LCK in winter, job's a good one within 6 months (one example ). Plenty of courses for upgrade available with expansion next year, 50 aircraft I think, possibly split as part replacement, part fleet growth;
- Current base offers are subject to demand and may not be UK bases as majority of bases simply are not in UK and some UK bases have waiting lists for FOs to return to UK, however, sometimes you can be lucky or get a relative fast transfer to UK. If you are offered a UK FR deal, you will be based in UK by definition, as UK FR deals are UK base bound, thus you will not be a contractor but employee and operate out of your determined base only (99.99% of time);
- Average hours depend on base, some have lots of training going on, others less so, aircraft in base, crew already in base, etc. But safely aim for 700-850 hours with most bases operating local base agreements enabling 5 on / 4 off, alternating early or late rotations;
- Vacation entitlement as follows, one calendar month (in low season, but not during your sim month) mandatory to be chosen in preferred order by you, awarded subject to others in your base requesting the same month (e.g. December is for more often bid then e.g. November), plus a number of days you can request at random, in block of no more than 3 at a time, all awarded/declined subject to base availability, which thus may mean that a request denied initially may be available in a few months due crew movements if in a big crew base like e.g. STN;
Working conditions have, like FR customer service levels, been on the rise in last few years, slowly improving over time, more base transfers accomplished, more information forthcoming from FOPs, personal iPads, ... Would like to think that FR realise they have to treat staff better in order to retain them in order to sustain proposed growth.
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From: last time I looked I was still here.
FR UK contract is not great basic pay, but with allowances and base agreement you take almost double compared to what's on paper on offer, don't expect thus a large basic pay;
That would suggest a 3% pay rise is in fact only 1.5% as it would apply only to basic salary. As the add ons are not guaranteed the anticipated annual income is crystal ball. Why don't the so-called contractors put in their invoices for what they consider a fair rate, as my plumber does? He quotes for the job and I pay it. Curious why the tail wags the dog. But then I know why; no need for lengths of explanation.
That would suggest a 3% pay rise is in fact only 1.5% as it would apply only to basic salary. As the add ons are not guaranteed the anticipated annual income is crystal ball. Why don't the so-called contractors put in their invoices for what they consider a fair rate, as my plumber does? He quotes for the job and I pay it. Curious why the tail wags the dog. But then I know why; no need for lengths of explanation.
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From: Between a rock and a hard place
Not sure if I have noticed any change for the better over the years. Never had a base transfer, vacation always happens at company's mercy, some broken promises. Ok iPads, wow, great! Makes work a little easier, but it's not a life changer. Pay has gone up for some, down for others. It's complicated.
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Thank you for the input guys, appreciate it. I did 4 years at FR and then I headed with the hoards to the desert. I'm looking into a return to blighty as I still have my 738 rating, so it may be an option to get home.
I heard from a little birdy that UK contracts we up for offer but as always everything is cloak and dagger and you have to sive through the
to get to the facts.
Any move will be with eyes wide open.....
I heard from a little birdy that UK contracts we up for offer but as always everything is cloak and dagger and you have to sive through the
to get to the facts.Any move will be with eyes wide open.....
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StallStrips post sums up nicely how bad this job is now. People work their way "up" to the sandpit or the smelly harbour, then when they realise that it is not what they thought it was, all they have to come back to is pikey and the like.
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I cant comment on life pre 2012 as I'm relatively new although I'd say the rose tints have worn off enough to give a fair assessment. Overall my experience has been good, first choice base within 6 months, forecasting 810 hours for the year to the end of this month. Didn't get any of my 3 choices for winter month off however I did get a block of 5 off in the summer enabling 13 consecutive days (previously un-heard of). As you've been here before I'm sure your aware not to believe all you read, for me anyway it's working out nicely. Just trying to pursue a contract now instead of continuing my studies for a degree in accountancy 
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From: Cloud Cookoo Land
"Improving working conditions" - I'd think twice before using those words and 'Ryanair' in the same sentence. People are still leaving folks, regardless of the level of base transfer activity, personal issue IPads and flowery memos from the DFO.
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SK1 - I'm not in FR....
Under EASA, if your last LPC expired more than 3 years ago, then you have to do a full type rating again... I'm guessing this is where the 3 year limit comes from.
Under EASA, if your last LPC expired more than 3 years ago, then you have to do a full type rating again... I'm guessing this is where the 3 year limit comes from.
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Thanks Cough,
I am aware of that limit and have been renewing my 737 rating while flying the 777, so it is still valid, it's just the Ryanair company requirement to have flown the aircraft within the last 3yrs that I no longer have.
I am aware of that limit and have been renewing my 737 rating while flying the 777, so it is still valid, it's just the Ryanair company requirement to have flown the aircraft within the last 3yrs that I no longer have.
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Take home pay (NET)
Thanks once again for all the imputs.
Is anyone brave enough to post actual take home pay (Net). Also is the 10% less for new Capt rule still in effect?
FO Ryanair Contract UK:
FO Agnecy (Storm):
Capt Ryan Contract UK:
Capt Agency (Storm):
Cheers!
Is anyone brave enough to post actual take home pay (Net). Also is the 10% less for new Capt rule still in effect?
FO Ryanair Contract UK:
FO Agnecy (Storm):
Capt Ryan Contract UK:
Capt Agency (Storm):
Cheers!
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The 90% contract relates to a new upgrade on a permanent contract WITHIN the company. It is applied to basic salary. Not aware of anything other than a training bond for DECs or DEFOs, regardless of contract or provider. Think this is around €5K if already rated. Uncertain of the time period however new upgrades are bonded for 24 months (non decreasing).
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NS vs FR
How do these two 738 Operators stack up against each other in Pay and T&c's Rosters ect ect?
I know they both run a very smilar business model using full time and agency pilots.
Who is the happier work bunch?
Cheers.
I know they both run a very smilar business model using full time and agency pilots.
Who is the happier work bunch?
Cheers.
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I'm looking to jumpship from NAS for a variety of reasons, not withstanding constant base changes, FR could be one destination so I am also interested in hearing this answer.
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