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I don't understand this website sometimes. Everyone bemoans the state of the industry, the on going deterioration in conditions, the way airlines treat their staff and that there is no end in sight.
But when someone tries to show people how things are in one place, people complain about it. You can't have your cake and eat it in my opinion. Maybe if people knew the real state of airlines in this case, there would be less applicants and maybe, just maybe, the conditions might improve.
Ok so Bondi is posting the same kind of things, but someone has to bang the drum.
But when someone tries to show people how things are in one place, people complain about it. You can't have your cake and eat it in my opinion. Maybe if people knew the real state of airlines in this case, there would be less applicants and maybe, just maybe, the conditions might improve.
Ok so Bondi is posting the same kind of things, but someone has to bang the drum.
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It is nice read in last week’s FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL , that this company is on the TOP in raking of reduced emissions per per seat per passenger . Much better than BA.
B787 is a fantastic machine !
B787 is a fantastic machine !
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While on the subject of TOP rankings, this company, Norwegian, did not make the top 20 list of the safest airlines in the world, as reported in the Norway daily newspaper, Aftenposten, 1/14/16. However, SAS is placed firmly on the list - Link:
http://www.aftenposten.no/reise/De-20-sikreste-flyselskapene-i-verden-668692_1.snd
SAS Director Knut Morten Johansen said, “This list confirms there is a correlation between the life and teachings of our company”
The Aftenposten news article did not make any comment on the respective “employment” relationships between the pilots and the top 20 safest airlines.
http://www.aftenposten.no/reise/De-20-sikreste-flyselskapene-i-verden-668692_1.snd
SAS Director Knut Morten Johansen said, “This list confirms there is a correlation between the life and teachings of our company”
The Aftenposten news article did not make any comment on the respective “employment” relationships between the pilots and the top 20 safest airlines.
It is nice read in last week’s FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL , that this company is on the TOP in raking of reduced emissions per per seat per passenger . Much better than BA.
Champagne anyone...?
It will be as it crams far more seats into its 787 than BA - 391 vs 214.
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It will be as it crams far more seats into its 787 than BA - 391 vs 214.
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FriFagbevegelse | Nytt nederlag for Norwegian
those working for Norwegian claims it pursues unlawful hiring and requires employment with the company they believe is their real employer. The Court of Appeal gives it authority that the case should be tried before the courts.
Erlend Angelo
Norwegian appealed, but Court of Appeal states that pilots and cabin crew should get tried his case in the courts.
Yngvil MORTENSEN
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The eight pilots and six cabin crew who last year sued Norwegian claims it pursues unlawful hiring and requires employment with the company they believe is their real employer.
Norwegian call requirements abstract, and requires that the court dismisses the whole matter. The airline claims the pilots and the cabin crew have no "legal interest" of a judicial clarification of the question of who has employer responsibility for them. It is both the District Court and now Court of Appeal disagreed.
"It is (...) a real straight uncertainty, the appellant contests the existence of an employment relationship (wholly or partly) between the parties," says the ruling.
• Read more about the case
- Ready ruling from the Court of Appeal
Attorney Christen Horn Johannessen in the legal department of the union Parat represents pilots and cabin crew in the case.
- In our assessment, the Court of Appeal ruling right and very clear that the plaintiffs have a legal interest in obtaining a clarification of Norwegian Air Shuttle (parent company of Norwegian, journ.anm.) Is their employer, says lawyer FriFagbevegelse.
- The High Court through its rapid handling the case also done what it can to prevent this kind of procedural objections means that a legal claim can be delayed by the it is aimed at.
The ruling was handed down Monday this week.
Requires permanent employment of the parent
Requirements for employment in and a collective agreement with the parent company, the real employer was the core of last year's pilot strike.
Two years earlier had Norwegian changed its corporate structure and created several subsidiaries. Amid the strike last year established Norwegian three new subsidiaries and moved pilots there. The Norwegian pilots were moved to Pilot Services Norway, which is registered under the industry "provision of personnel" and the crew to the subsidiary Cabin Services Norway.
If the court finds that there are unlawful hiring, they claim judgment that they have permanent employment with the hirer - Norwegian, according to the Working Environment Act §14-14.
Norwegian disagrees that this is contract labor. Norwegian believes that the subsidiary Pilot Services provides an enterprise on a pilot service.
FriFagbevegelse has not yet succeeded in getting a comment from Norwegian to the ruling.
those working for Norwegian claims it pursues unlawful hiring and requires employment with the company they believe is their real employer. The Court of Appeal gives it authority that the case should be tried before the courts.
Erlend Angelo
Norwegian appealed, but Court of Appeal states that pilots and cabin crew should get tried his case in the courts.
Yngvil MORTENSEN
[email protected]
Published 01.21.2016 at 13.21
196
The eight pilots and six cabin crew who last year sued Norwegian claims it pursues unlawful hiring and requires employment with the company they believe is their real employer.
Norwegian call requirements abstract, and requires that the court dismisses the whole matter. The airline claims the pilots and the cabin crew have no "legal interest" of a judicial clarification of the question of who has employer responsibility for them. It is both the District Court and now Court of Appeal disagreed.
"It is (...) a real straight uncertainty, the appellant contests the existence of an employment relationship (wholly or partly) between the parties," says the ruling.
• Read more about the case
- Ready ruling from the Court of Appeal
Attorney Christen Horn Johannessen in the legal department of the union Parat represents pilots and cabin crew in the case.
- In our assessment, the Court of Appeal ruling right and very clear that the plaintiffs have a legal interest in obtaining a clarification of Norwegian Air Shuttle (parent company of Norwegian, journ.anm.) Is their employer, says lawyer FriFagbevegelse.
- The High Court through its rapid handling the case also done what it can to prevent this kind of procedural objections means that a legal claim can be delayed by the it is aimed at.
The ruling was handed down Monday this week.
Requires permanent employment of the parent
Requirements for employment in and a collective agreement with the parent company, the real employer was the core of last year's pilot strike.
Two years earlier had Norwegian changed its corporate structure and created several subsidiaries. Amid the strike last year established Norwegian three new subsidiaries and moved pilots there. The Norwegian pilots were moved to Pilot Services Norway, which is registered under the industry "provision of personnel" and the crew to the subsidiary Cabin Services Norway.
If the court finds that there are unlawful hiring, they claim judgment that they have permanent employment with the hirer - Norwegian, according to the Working Environment Act §14-14.
Norwegian disagrees that this is contract labor. Norwegian believes that the subsidiary Pilot Services provides an enterprise on a pilot service.
FriFagbevegelse has not yet succeeded in getting a comment from Norwegian to the ruling.
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You don't seem to have much grasp of your potential employer.
There are lots of pilots on an LGW contract.
How can you sign a contract before you've been interviewed ? You haven't been offered a job ?
You don't go to Oslo for 2-3 weeks. Rosters are variable but you can fly out of Gatwick, Oslo, Stockholm or Copenhagen.
Interview used to be , the old style , can I sit with this person for ten hours. Not sure if it's changed
You don't seem to have much grasp of your potential employer.
There are lots of pilots on an LGW contract.
How can you sign a contract before you've been interviewed ? You haven't been offered a job ?
You don't go to Oslo for 2-3 weeks. Rosters are variable but you can fly out of Gatwick, Oslo, Stockholm or Copenhagen.
Interview used to be , the old style , can I sit with this person for ten hours. Not sure if it's changed
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Norwegian is a labor relations disaster with potential for further unrest.
When applying definition terms used by the International Labor Organization, Norwegian is the real employer. The ILO Guide to Regulating the Employment Relationship in Europe contains an abundance of legally binding "employer" definitions from various EU countries. The guide may be downloaded at:-
http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/pub...cms_209280.pdf
Hypocritically, Norwegian declares on its company website;
“We place great importance on ensuring compliance with employee’s basic human rights as outlined in the International Labor Organization’s core conventions” - Link:-
https://www.norwegian.com/uk/about/company/corporate-responsibility/human-worth/
When applying definition terms used by the International Labor Organization, Norwegian is the real employer. The ILO Guide to Regulating the Employment Relationship in Europe contains an abundance of legally binding "employer" definitions from various EU countries. The guide may be downloaded at:-
http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/pub...cms_209280.pdf
Hypocritically, Norwegian declares on its company website;
“We place great importance on ensuring compliance with employee’s basic human rights as outlined in the International Labor Organization’s core conventions” - Link:-
https://www.norwegian.com/uk/about/company/corporate-responsibility/human-worth/
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reasons people resign from NLH:
1) is obviously rostering, planning, etc... But more than all that it is the attitude of some people of those department (especially Replanning). They are arrogant, rude, incompetent and definitely not helpful, for them it is only going their way. They don't see it as a win/win situation.
2) is the contract : pension, social security, insurance...
3) is the salary : as we have no pension having significantly more to give us the chance to invest.
1) is obviously rostering, planning, etc... But more than all that it is the attitude of some people of those department (especially Replanning). They are arrogant, rude, incompetent and definitely not helpful, for them it is only going their way. They don't see it as a win/win situation.
2) is the contract : pension, social security, insurance...
3) is the salary : as we have no pension having significantly more to give us the chance to invest.
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Register now for the Norwegian Long Haul and Rishworth Aviation B787 Pilot Roadshow - Rishworth Aviation
I wonder how many F/O's will fall into their propaganda trap during the roadshows, EU bases and quick upgrades will be what they will try to sell.
They won't tell you about being hired by a Singapore agency, based in LGW on a cr@ppy temporary contract, on a horrible roster, being thrown all over the globe in a totally disorganized and random way by a bunch of ops amateurs.
As far as Captains are concerned I seriously doubt anyone working in the middle east would want to even come close to Norwegian.
I wonder how many F/O's will fall into their propaganda trap during the roadshows, EU bases and quick upgrades will be what they will try to sell.
They won't tell you about being hired by a Singapore agency, based in LGW on a cr@ppy temporary contract, on a horrible roster, being thrown all over the globe in a totally disorganized and random way by a bunch of ops amateurs.
As far as Captains are concerned I seriously doubt anyone working in the middle east would want to even come close to Norwegian.
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"quick upgrades" ? yeah, the Contractor FO's on the 737 will give you a better idea than me . . . .depends what you mean by "quick" . . .quick like Ryanair ? or quick like SAS ?
Anyhow, suffice to say , most Contract FO's who came from Ryanair did not find it sufficiently quick, and on the 787, well, you have still DEC's (same prob as 737 ) and CRZ Capts in the way (with the CRZ Capts suffering the same blight as the 737 FO's I.E DEC's )
Believe nothing you are told at interview, truly, don't .
Anyhow, suffice to say , most Contract FO's who came from Ryanair did not find it sufficiently quick, and on the 787, well, you have still DEC's (same prob as 737 ) and CRZ Capts in the way (with the CRZ Capts suffering the same blight as the 737 FO's I.E DEC's )
Believe nothing you are told at interview, truly, don't .
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Pilots leaving Norwegian long haul /roadshows
I have heard that more than 30 pilots resigned and almost 40 reaching the end of their contracts in one month. No reasonable renewal contract have been offered but even worse T&C. I am going to attend a roadshow in April and wondering why so many are leaving.