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Old 21st Feb 2021, 08:05
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In the end of last year, when optimism regarding vaccination in the EU was far greater than now and fears of vaccine-resistent strains were far weaker than now, I foresaw that the very earliest you can hope for recruitment at Wizz is late 2021 or early 2022. Why? Because, even if we assume that vaccination gets EU travel back on track in mid-2021, there are markets which are very important for Wizz and, unfortunately, don't stand a chance of achieving any significant level of vaccine coverage anytime soon. Think Ukraine, Moldova, some of the Balkan countries. These countries mostly rely on humanitarian aid programmes like COVAX to get any vaccines - and they make for a sizable fraction of the Wizz network. Not to mention that significant easing of travel restrictions among the better-off countries this summer is not a given yet. Everyone wants their holidays, but nobody wants to dash their progress in fighting the virus by importing a vaccine-resistent mutation. Wizz already have enough pilots to cover 80% of their 2019 capacity - and even that is not coming back in leaps and bounds. So, it might be worth looking elsewhere unless you're prepared to wait for at least another year.
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 09:17
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Whatfor?!
Some bean counter somewhere is already doing the maths. 250 cadets per year on €30,000 per year vs SFOs on €70-80,000. That's a potential saving of 30,000 x 250 = €7,500,000. More bonuses for the boys.
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 09:25
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SFOs on 70-80,000? more like 40-50,000 and thatīs with pre-covid capacity and salaries. Cadets are somewhere around 20-30,000 range (again pre-covid). Rest is correct of course. They are planning to have 300 aircraft in 6-7 years, so they will need lots of workforce. Training new pilots will take them around 2 years, but I have serious doubts that much new workforce will be needed even in 2 years from now..
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 11:14
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I was also (pleasantly) surprised by the 70-80k salary quote for SFOs. And yeah, cadets were ~24-26k based on their presentation/slides pre-covid in ~2018.

As for plans, we have a nice proverb: "Humans plan, God laughs".
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 11:14
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Two years from zero to hero is an optimistic timeline even in the very best of times, let alone now. There can be delays at any stage of training. It might be that those who passed the assessment pre-COVID are now on a backlog which has to start before the brand new guys do. It might be that you finish the CPL and wait a couple of months for a TR because it's conducted by a different school. It might be that you do the TR and spend a couple of months waiting for an OCC and line training because airline instructors are an expensive asset and are usually kept in minimal numbers. So, the two years can easily become three. And it's more than likely that life in 2024 will look a lot better than in does in 2021. Only that you have to somehow support yourself until then.
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 13:53
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70/80k? Not even Captains make that money.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 00:49
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I've seen their beancounters twisting and turning figures, numbers, etc. on magenta power point presentations and pdf-s. I wouldn't be surprised if they would deliberately mix up figures quoted pre-covid with current numbers. Just look at them patting their own back for their 99.9% (or quiet close to that number) OTP in 2020. What a surprise. No sherlock. I'm sure bonuses were handed for that as well.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 09:48
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​​​​​​The On Time Performance target was missed for 2-3 consecutive years before the virus (and not by a narrow margin) but somehow it did not make it to the news. It did not stop management bonuses either.
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Old 15th Mar 2021, 19:04
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Have they started ops in Abu Dhabi? And if they have started ops, what is the roster like? How many sectors would one fly per month on average?
Itís long sectors which supposedly means a greater distance pay.

Is the 2000 euro bonus paid monthly on top of the salaries?
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Old 15th Mar 2021, 19:53
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Impossible to tell now what a "normal" roster would look like. Today one plane was flying out of auh, but nothing scheduled for the next couple of days.
In general "normal" circumstances you can expect to fly maximum hours from any Wizzair base, and if you consider no layover (meaning 2 sectors days), and taking the average sector lenght based on the flights for sale, you can have a fairly decent idea.
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 02:59
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Still a number of pilots are forced into unpaid leave even though most of them gave up their bases in Europe and the option to return in a year or two just to join the ops in AUH fearing that they'll be next to let go after the rounds back in last April.

Some who are joined were recalled a few months after being laid off.

The good thing is that two ex-EK clowns sitting in management in BUD had their plans stalled to fill the seats in AUH with their ex-EK cronies, for now that is, at least.

T&C-s seems to be inconsistent in AUH: some are still in a hotel where they are put up by WZZ, some one their own, renting and some are back in Europe on unpaid. Heard different things about allowances which are not in line at all with the money advertised last year...
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 09:24
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Compared to the numbers published there was 25% paycut, minus an extra 40% due to the forced unpaid leave.Considering the cost of life, people there are having a tough time, to say the least.
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 09:51
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the AUH ops at this moment consists of one aircraft flying to Athens and Alexandria only on what's a total of 3 flights per week or so. All the other aircraft have been parked at Al Ain.
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 11:03
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and even pilots in Poland, Romania and rest of bases are having just 1200 Euros (Captains) and little bit more
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 17:51
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PilotLZ;

Only A6-WZA is flying (seven flights in the last 16 days), the other three are stored.
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 17:58
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Meanwhile in another galaxy (6.38m and 1m GBP):
https://www.londonstockexchange.com/news-article/WIZZ/director-pdmr-shareholding/14877922
https://www.londonstockexchange.com/news-article/WIZZ/director-pdmr-shareholding/14885311
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 22:49
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Transcripts of a meeting on who should be let go last April has leaked, resulting heads rolling left, right and centre. Sorry for the bad quality, it's been shared like this.





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Old 4th Apr 2021, 22:56
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Speechless. I have been told some base captains have been removed from their position, now each base captain is responsible for 5 or 6 bases and, supposedly, also a flight attendant is holding a base captain position now Seriously?

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Old 4th Apr 2021, 23:18
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Originally Posted by booze View Post
Rumor has it that a zoom meeting has leaked costing some heads/managers so far. Many subjects were discussed during this meeting like a matrix on how to choose who should be let go and based on what reasons, further salary cuts, etc.
It wasn't just a rumour after all...
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 07:55
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Is that even allowed by any European CAA? A base captain that doesn’t hold the required licenses.
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