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Old 14th Mar 2020, 22:00
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The language being used in the media is a huge issue. If I hear ďLOCKDOWNĒ one more time!

Most of our home delivery from Sainsburys was marked out of stock so didnít arrive yesterday. Popped to my local supermarket to buy the missing bits to find scenes akin to an end of the world zombie movie! Absolutely ridiculous.

This is serious for those that are vulnerable ie the elderly and/or those with serious underlying health conditions, but Iím far more concerned about the economic crisis developing. This will be catastrophic for our industry and others. Thousands of people will be made jobless shortly but meanwhile many more people will probably die from normal influenza and falling down their stairs at home. Let alone the roads! Iím not insensitive to those that will be affected by this, which includes members of my own family. But the world needs to stop and have a real think about the ramifications of alarmist coverage.

Harsh as it may sound, the world will keep on spinning once this temporary crisis is overcome and if millions are unemployed the social problems that follow will make the Corona virus outbreak look very insignificant.

And as for daft comparisons to the 1918 Spanish flu.....come off it. The world has moved on significantly since the oxygen and aspirin used a century ago!
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 22:13
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23/03/2020

Evening all.

Is anybody else here due to start on the 23rd? I havenít heard a thing from BA yet, growing increasingly worried...

Thanks
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 22:30
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Originally Posted by CLN1E View Post
Evening all.

Is anybody else here due to start on the 23rd? I havenít heard a thing from BA yet, growing increasingly worried...

Thanks
Surely youíve seen the news and therefore unfortunately have your answer? I wouldnít be expecting to start any time soon. Good luck.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 22:59
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Originally Posted by CW247 View Post
I'm not sure about that. I'm a 'meh, more people die of the flu' type (because it's TRUE) but at the same time the majority of people are not going to let their guard down with Covid-19 especially considering the hourly barrage of news updates and statistics.
The problem with this view is that it crumbles under the slightest questioning.

I highly doubt that after the first week of the the second world war people were sticking their heads in the sand and laughing it off on the basis that by that point no one had actually been killed yet and therefore bee stings, shark attacks and accidents involving ice cream dispensers had still killed more people, and therefore weíre a bigger threat to life?

More people die of flu than in car crashes in the U.K., I suspect you still wear a seatbelt... And more people die of old age than cancer, I still think itís worthwhile researching cancer treatments though!

Flu is not COVID, they are totally totally different and one has zero effect on the other one. Apathy is more dangerous than the virus itself.

Originally Posted by 2 Whites 2 Reds View Post
as for daft comparisons to the 1918 Spanish flu.....come off it. The world has moved on significantly since the oxygen and aspirin used a century ago!
Not a daft comparison at all. Swine flu, 10 years ago, infected over a billion people. Only reason there wasnít 50 million dead as with the Spanish flu was luck as it wasnít a serious disease. You may think that people in the 1900s lived in caves and still worshipped trees but sadly not. They had exactly the same number of ways to cure Spanish flu as we have for COVID. Zero, nada, zilch. Tell me again that itís a daft comparison.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 23:19
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Originally Posted by CLN1E View Post
Evening all.

Is anybody else here due to start on the 23rd? I havenít heard a thing from BA yet, growing increasingly worried...

Thanks
I'm obviosuly not in any positon to clarify, but the most recent comms I've read suggest that all March start dates are going ahead. Good luck - we'll all need it!
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 23:27
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Originally Posted by CLN1E View Post
Evening all.

Is anybody else here due to start on the 23rd? I havenít heard a thing from BA yet, growing increasingly worried...

Thanks
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 23:36
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP View Post
The problem with this view is that it crumbles under the slightest questioning.

I highly doubt that after the first week of the the second world war people were sticking their heads in the sand and laughing it off on the basis that by that point no one had actually been killed yet and therefore bee stings, shark attacks and accidents involving ice cream dispensers had still killed more people, and therefore weíre a bigger threat to life?

More people die of flu than in car crashes in the U.K., I suspect you still wear a seatbelt... And more people die of old age than cancer, I still think itís worthwhile researching cancer treatments though!

Flu is not COVID, they are totally totally different and one has zero effect on the other one. Apathy is more dangerous than the virus itself.


Not a daft comparison at all. Swine flu, 10 years ago, infected over a billion people. Only reason there wasnít 50 million dead as with the Spanish flu was luck as it wasnít a serious disease. You may think that people in the 1900s lived in caves and still worshipped trees but sadly not. They had exactly the same number of ways to cure Spanish flu as we have for COVID. Zero, nada, zilch. Tell me again that itís a daft comparison.
Just watched the guy who discovered Ebola, and helped identify Covid-19, make that comparison to Spanish flu, youíre right on the ball there, is not daft.

Other news, Will be interesting to see if Bojo will agree to the £7.5bil lifeline to UK airlines that Virgin will request on Monday. Right now Iím feeling very insecure and seriously fearing for my job....
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 23:39
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It is fair to say that for most people, this will be just a mild, ranging through to nasty, respiratory infection from which they will recover, with ranging from no long term effects, to life long scarring of their lung tissue. However, given how many people would get it, the small percentage it would kill if left unchecked, would be a very big number. Now the governments of the world could just sit back and let it happen, and watch tens of millions die, or they can cause economic damage but save many many lives. There will always be some who would rather forego the economic pain and let millions of people other than themselves die, but fortunately, the governments of the world, together with their health care and economic advisors, have deemed it better for society that they do something to try and limit the fatalities. Mistakes will I am sure be made, but fortunately in most peopleís world, life versus death is more important than employment or money in the bank.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 01:28
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Starting the 23rd

Originally Posted by CLN1E View Post
Evening all.

Is anybody else here due to start on the 23rd? I havenít heard a thing from BA yet, growing increasingly worried...

Thanks
Im supposed to be starting on the 23rd as well and as far as Iím aware and from the call I had last week then all is ok for the 23rd....However with the doom and gloom coming from the news Iím getting increasingly worried for the week ahead.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 10:26
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP View Post
The problem with this view is that it crumbles under the slightest questioning.

I highly doubt that after the first week of the the second world war people were sticking their heads in the sand and laughing it off on the basis that by that point no one had actually been killed yet and therefore bee stings, shark attacks and accidents involving ice cream dispensers had still killed more people, and therefore weíre a bigger threat to life?

More people die of flu than in car crashes in the U.K., I suspect you still wear a seatbelt... And more people die of old age than cancer, I still think itís worthwhile researching cancer treatments though!

Flu is not COVID, they are totally totally different and one has zero effect on the other one. Apathy is more dangerous than the virus itself.


Not a daft comparison at all. Swine flu, 10 years ago, infected over a billion people. Only reason there wasnít 50 million dead as with the Spanish flu was luck as it wasnít a serious disease. You may think that people in the 1900s lived in caves and still worshipped trees but sadly not. They had exactly the same number of ways to cure Spanish flu as we have for COVID. Zero, nada, zilch. Tell me again that itís a daft comparison.
Ok, you asked for it, it's a daft comparison. Luck had nothing to do with it. Years of medical research developing a range of broad spectrum antibiotics to treat the underlying health conditions like pneumonia thus making those infected more resilient to the virus itself was the reason 50 million didn't die.

Protect the elderly, vulnerable and those with underlying health conditions which make them susceptible to Covid at all costs of course. The rest of the world needs to carry on and quite frankly, get a bloody grip.

Back to the thread.....

I feel very sorry for those that have been caught in no mans land and only hope their current airlines allow them to rescind resignations. All I would say is that the news coming out of BA is very very sobering. I've been in 5 years or so and for the first time in my career I'm fearing for my job. Next week will probably reveal wide ranging survival measures. It's not going to be pretty.

Best of luck all.

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 16:20
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Word on the street, some of our FOs from near here in the Middle East are working their notice on the basis they did have a job offer and start date at BA.

BA cancelled their start dates and put them back in a hold pool. The company here not letting them stay as not required.

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 16:33
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Originally Posted by Black Pudding View Post
Word on the street, some of our FOs from here in the Middle East are working their notice on the basis they did have a job offer and start date at BA.

BA cancelled their start dates and put them back in a hold pool. The company here not letting them stay as not required.
Absolutely awful. I feel very sorry for them. The global situation is truly unprecedented and I wonder who will be left standing when this is all over. I'm preparing myself for some major news from my employer and the CC early next week. As some of my colleagues have already said, I'm really hoping we can avoid any pilot job losses and am prepared to take a hit to achieve that if needs be.

Again, best of luck folks. This isn't gonna be pretty.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 16:51
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Originally Posted by 2 Whites 2 Reds View Post
Absolutely awful. I feel very sorry for them. The global situation is truly unprecedented and I wonder who will be left standing when this is all over. I'm preparing myself for some major news from my employer and the CC early next week. As some of my colleagues have already said, I'm really hoping we can avoid any pilot job losses and am prepared to take a hit to achieve that if needs be.

Again, best of luck folks. This isn't gonna be pretty.
I would suggest a good way of helping would be if all staff were asked to take one months unpaid leave anytime over the next 8 -12 months, then your company uses this to cut capacity by a quarter or third and hopefully this situation will be gone soon. Once this crap has gone, people will want to get away. SARS lasted 9 months.

Good luck to all
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 16:58
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There's perhaps no easy way to say this but the over 60s should consider calling it quits, life, particularly at BA has been good to them. What they have, the next generation of pilots could not even hope for. Besides, I read somewhere flying in your last few years taxes the body as much as it did in the last 20.
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 01:23
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CW247.

Why not tell them to roll over and die instead.
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 10:42
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BA have just issued an HR-1 redundancy notice for an unspecified number of pilot redundancies.

While at face value, this is perhaps a little alarming, itís part of a longer process involving negotiations between BA and BALPA. Previous form suggests compulsory redundancies will be avoided but obviously everything else will come to a halt for some time.
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 11:29
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Originally Posted by Tay Cough View Post
BA have just issued an HR-1 redundancy notice for an unspecified number of pilot redundancies.

While at face value, this is perhaps a little alarming, itís part of a longer process involving negotiations between BA and BALPA. Previous form suggests compulsory redundancies will be avoided but obviously everything else will come to a halt for some time.
What do you reckon will come from it? Pay cuts, unpaid leave, dilution of Ts & Cs, etc?
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Rottweiler22 View Post
What do you reckon will come from it? Pay cuts, unpaid leave, dilution of Ts & Cs, etc?
I cant imagine BALPA would let them offer anything other than unpaid leave, voluntary redundancies (aimed at the top 747/777 skippers id assume) and part time options as most other carriers (all in worse financial situations) have offered.

I also cannot believe that, after the chaos and damage that was caused at the end of last year, they'd accept a permanent attack on Ts and Cs - Covid-19 aside, the company make a fortune.
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 11:51
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I hope BALPA are on the ball with this. Remember, what they take away they'll never give back. At the same time they'll justify their huge bonuses by claiming they delivered an amazing turnaround even though it will be the lowest paid who made the biggest sacrifices.
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 17:03
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
New joiners and the internal guys on conversion/promotion courses at TBC today have had their training terminated and been sent home, with the exception of those on the A350. Uncharted waters indeed, god knows whatís about to happen.
This is untrue. Please can we not try and spread rumours. This is stressful enough as it is.
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