Vueling pilots union request wage increase
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This is rather funny, in an ironic kind of way.
An agile, low cost (low wage!) wholly owned subsidiary takes a significant bite out of a legacy carrier's SH operation. It does so precisely BECAUSE it is 'low wage'! But as soon as these low paid workers get the gig and their feet under the table, and 'oust' the fat cats, suddenly they don't want to be 'low paid' any more!!
Exactly the same thing happened with BACX/BA Connect! Where are THEY now?
Vueling pilots have absolutely ZERO chance of any meaningful improvement in their T&Cs unless they take significant and prolonged industrial action. Have they the guts? Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Are T&Cs like Vueling's good for pilots anywhere? No of course not. It will inevitably reduce the quality of people prepared to take on such low paid work.
Does anyone think that's a good thing? Or would you like high quality people doing the driving of these complex machines when they seal you into that aluminium tube and point you to the heavens?
An agile, low cost (low wage!) wholly owned subsidiary takes a significant bite out of a legacy carrier's SH operation. It does so precisely BECAUSE it is 'low wage'! But as soon as these low paid workers get the gig and their feet under the table, and 'oust' the fat cats, suddenly they don't want to be 'low paid' any more!!
Exactly the same thing happened with BACX/BA Connect! Where are THEY now?
Vueling pilots have absolutely ZERO chance of any meaningful improvement in their T&Cs unless they take significant and prolonged industrial action. Have they the guts? Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Are T&Cs like Vueling's good for pilots anywhere? No of course not. It will inevitably reduce the quality of people prepared to take on such low paid work.
Does anyone think that's a good thing? Or would you like high quality people doing the driving of these complex machines when they seal you into that aluminium tube and point you to the heavens?
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Right on Polax !
According to sources, the Vueling pilots union is fighting for a pay closer to Easyjet, in the low cost realm, and below Easyjet pay, yet nearer. With a reasonable increase in pilot pay the company will stll be low cost, and have a competitive CAKO. Vueling pilots are becoming more and more united and resolute, support their union, lets see.
Definitely not Easy, pardon the pun.
¨ It is only through labor and painful effort, by grim energy and resolute courage, that we move on to better things.¨ Theodore Roosevelt
According to sources, the Vueling pilots union is fighting for a pay closer to Easyjet, in the low cost realm, and below Easyjet pay, yet nearer. With a reasonable increase in pilot pay the company will stll be low cost, and have a competitive CAKO. Vueling pilots are becoming more and more united and resolute, support their union, lets see.
Definitely not Easy, pardon the pun.
¨ It is only through labor and painful effort, by grim energy and resolute courage, that we move on to better things.¨ Theodore Roosevelt
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Gentlemen,
Any Officer, in any airline who does not want better conditions for his/hers counterparts in a different company is not worth the name colleague, nor aviator. Instead, they are egoistic, short sighted leeches.
Rant over.
Any Officer, in any airline who does not want better conditions for his/hers counterparts in a different company is not worth the name colleague, nor aviator. Instead, they are egoistic, short sighted leeches.
Rant over.
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I couldn't agree more.
Look how Vueling have helped to 'improve' the T&Cs at Iberia!
Any Officer, in any airline who does not want better conditions for his/hers counterparts in a different company is not worth the name colleague, nor aviator. Instead, they are egoistic, short sighted leeches.
Look how Vueling have helped to 'improve' the T&Cs at Iberia!
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Vueling operating profit 137 Million
With this profit below Vueling can afford to pay their pilots more decently and stay profitable. A conflict with their pilots, and a possible strike would also cost money as well.
Curious isnt how CEO´s reward themselves, while the pilots do not get even a fixed pay increase. Is that right ?
¨Low cost Spanish carrier Vueling, which was acquired in April 2013, registered an operating profit of €137 million¨ for 2013
IAG boss Walsh offered major share bonus for successful turnaround
Willie Walsh, the boss of British Airways’ parent International Airlines Group, could potentially receive a bonus worth double his basic salary if he succeeds in turning the loss-making company around by 2016.
IAG's losses cost Willie Walsh his bonus for 2012 but the aviation chief could receive more than double his basic salary in shares if he turns the company around over the next three years.
The aviation veteran, who led the 2011 merger of BA with Spain’s Iberia to form IAG, stands to receive a maximum award of 684,647 shares, which at today’s prices are worth £1.7m.
The long-term incentive award, laid out in a stock exchange announcement on Wednesday, would be dependent on meeting strict performance targets between 2013 and 2016.¨
Curious isnt how CEO´s reward themselves, while the pilots do not get even a fixed pay increase. Is that right ?
¨Low cost Spanish carrier Vueling, which was acquired in April 2013, registered an operating profit of €137 million¨ for 2013
IAG boss Walsh offered major share bonus for successful turnaround
Willie Walsh, the boss of British Airways’ parent International Airlines Group, could potentially receive a bonus worth double his basic salary if he succeeds in turning the loss-making company around by 2016.
IAG's losses cost Willie Walsh his bonus for 2012 but the aviation chief could receive more than double his basic salary in shares if he turns the company around over the next three years.
The aviation veteran, who led the 2011 merger of BA with Spain’s Iberia to form IAG, stands to receive a maximum award of 684,647 shares, which at today’s prices are worth £1.7m.
The long-term incentive award, laid out in a stock exchange announcement on Wednesday, would be dependent on meeting strict performance targets between 2013 and 2016.¨
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Very interesting discussion guys. Does anyone have up to date information about current salary for F/O and CPT in Vueling ? I heard some data, found some other on the net and I have to say that it's hard to define an opinion from such different values. Thanks.
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Heard Capt total take-home €4500+/- given that newly promoted Capts in Ryanair can look forward to a "Ryanair" contract (as opposed to the "self-employed" version they had as FO's) offering total of €4200, the Vueling figure seems (regrettably ) credible . . . even if it is "unbelievable" 
I have been told new FO's struggle to clear €1500.
I have been told new FO's struggle to clear €1500.
I couldn't imagine that it was that bad... From this point of view, EZY in Lisbon looks pretty nice...
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Vueling pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
Seems better than 4300 euro / mth for Captains on here.
The pension looks pretty poor though.
Seems better than 4300 euro / mth for Captains on here.
The pension looks pretty poor though.
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It claims €6500/mth for 90 hr block time for new Capt. Given that is only possible for 10mths (due 900hr max ) that is €65000/year.
Divide by 12 & you have at best €5500/mth, and I bet most are on the lower end of the pay scales.
On that basis, if you don't do max hrs in year €4500 still sounds horribly possible.
Divide by 12 & you have at best €5500/mth, and I bet most are on the lower end of the pay scales.
On that basis, if you don't do max hrs in year €4500 still sounds horribly possible.
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Vueling pilots union request wage increase
Well. Comes down to preferences I guess.
It was meant tongue in cheek anyhow.
I do some office work and wouldn't do it full-time for anything less than posted above.
Anyway.. To come back to the subject.
A junior capt in VLG earns the quoted amounts. The senior guys/trainers are on higher basic salaries (still very low though). Where the trainers make money is on the simsessions. I believe a TRE gets 700 euros/session in addition. Basically the senior guys have sold out on the new-entrants / new upgrades when signing the collective labour agreement.
It was meant tongue in cheek anyhow.
I do some office work and wouldn't do it full-time for anything less than posted above.
Anyway.. To come back to the subject.
A junior capt in VLG earns the quoted amounts. The senior guys/trainers are on higher basic salaries (still very low though). Where the trainers make money is on the simsessions. I believe a TRE gets 700 euros/session in addition. Basically the senior guys have sold out on the new-entrants / new upgrades when signing the collective labour agreement.
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A line in the sand
Enough is enough say the Vueling pilots.
Apparently according to a source, and the Spanish press, the union is negotiating for a reasonable increase in pay for the new Captains and Junior FO´s. In the next agreement the junior ones would benefit the most, if the company were to accept, their offer, which they have not, supposedly.?
While the company expands and makes a profit, with the biggest
there are FO´s in Vueling with children, paying off a loan for their type rating, and have a mortgage who are unable to make ends meet at Vueling.
These guys who have been FO´s for more than two years are pissed off.
A storm cloud seems to be brewing.
Apparently according to a source, and the Spanish press, the union is negotiating for a reasonable increase in pay for the new Captains and Junior FO´s. In the next agreement the junior ones would benefit the most, if the company were to accept, their offer, which they have not, supposedly.?
While the company expands and makes a profit, with the biggest
there are FO´s in Vueling with children, paying off a loan for their type rating, and have a mortgage who are unable to make ends meet at Vueling.
These guys who have been FO´s for more than two years are pissed off.
A storm cloud seems to be brewing.
