Holiday Pay
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Holiday Pay
BALPA takes a lot of flak on here sometimes but they deserve the plaudits this time for negotiating holiday back pay for BA pilots. Well done and thank you.
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Laughing my arse off.
You are joking aren't you?
I'm sure all the other company members are delighted for you, seeing as they seem to get second rate service from BALPA at both HQ and local level.
I'm sure all the other company members are delighted for you, seeing as they seem to get second rate service from BALPA at both HQ and local level.
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Did you actually read what I'd written? No? Thought not.
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NR,
The case was a test case which clarified a point in law in accordance with the European Working regulations that variable pay can be considered a part of the pay realistically expected by an employee pilot even when on statutory holiday breaks.
As such the BACC took it forward in 2006 under each individual pilots names as personal claims against BA. The case has taken this long due to the constant counter appeals by BA and the difficulty in establishing what does and doesn't consist of variable pay. It now sets a precedence for ALL companies who didn't see variable pay as part of holiday pay to include a fair portion of variable pay into statutory holiday pay. Hence ALL company councils and individuals can now pursue their employers to pay this. This includes Cabin Crew and any recipient of variable pay.
All told a pretty good result for everyone irrespective of company as the door is now open for your claims as well.
The case was a test case which clarified a point in law in accordance with the European Working regulations that variable pay can be considered a part of the pay realistically expected by an employee pilot even when on statutory holiday breaks.
As such the BACC took it forward in 2006 under each individual pilots names as personal claims against BA. The case has taken this long due to the constant counter appeals by BA and the difficulty in establishing what does and doesn't consist of variable pay. It now sets a precedence for ALL companies who didn't see variable pay as part of holiday pay to include a fair portion of variable pay into statutory holiday pay. Hence ALL company councils and individuals can now pursue their employers to pay this. This includes Cabin Crew and any recipient of variable pay.
All told a pretty good result for everyone irrespective of company as the door is now open for your claims as well.
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feel free to "man up" and apologise.
A great result for all employees, thanks to Balpa's determination and tenacity.
At a time when the likes of Bassa are acting like a petulant child having yet another embarrassing tantrum (and failing to protect their members, let alone enhance their conditions) I'm really proud that BA pilots and their reps are able to produce positive results so consistently.
feel free to "man up" and apologise.
A great result for all employees, thanks to Balpa's determination and tenacity.
At a time when the likes of Bassa are acting like a petulant child having yet another embarrassing tantrum (and failing to protect their members, let alone enhance their conditions) I'm really proud that BA pilots and their reps are able to produce positive results so consistently.
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I'm sure all the other company members are delighted for you, seeing as they seem to get second rate service from BALPA at both HQ and local level
let alone enhance their conditions
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Wonker,
RTFQ:
Perhaps if BASSA had got off it's militant ar$e and taken part in the process they would be able to offer the same to their members now as well. As it is they will have to progress the process now or just leave it up to the individual. It's not as if this has been hidden under the carpet for the past 7 years. 
RTFQ:
This includes Cabin Crew and any recipient of variable pay.
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Perhaps if BASSA had got off it's militant ar$e and taken part in the process they would be able to offer the same to their members now as well. As it is they will have to progress the process now or just leave it up to the individual.
I always thought BALPA runs from the courts, not to them - I'm amazed, so well done. I do hope you're not going to take it though. You may be pushed back into a fight for survival!
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As usual, wait for someone else to do the heavy lifting and then bite the hand that feeds you eh?
Good job someone was pro-active enough to get it sorted out, not really ever been BASSA's forte has it. Anyway, I'm sure you won't be needing any of it either as those payments from the Union subs added up to a pretty penny didn't they?
As to being pushed back into a 'fight for survival', the fact that BASSA failed to prevent to start of Mixed fleet and woefully let down their membership by sidelining WW and EF has more than adequately provided savings above and beyond what will be required without having to worry. So, in a round about way, thanks BASSA.
BTW are you still penning the BASSA poison pen membership notices, been some cracking ones lately. Ta ta.
Good job someone was pro-active enough to get it sorted out, not really ever been BASSA's forte has it. Anyway, I'm sure you won't be needing any of it either as those payments from the Union subs added up to a pretty penny didn't they?
As to being pushed back into a 'fight for survival', the fact that BASSA failed to prevent to start of Mixed fleet and woefully let down their membership by sidelining WW and EF has more than adequately provided savings above and beyond what will be required without having to worry. So, in a round about way, thanks BASSA.
BTW are you still penning the BASSA poison pen membership notices, been some cracking ones lately. Ta ta.
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Good to hear they are paying up! My company CC currently have a challenge in for holiday pay. I was just wondering how do they calculate what you are owed when paying out and how far back dated the holiday pay is??
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Wirby, bet you're already on the way to the socksandel'n'slack shop to spend your hard earned payout. Please save a bit and donate it to your IB colleagues when they make their stand.
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The BA action dates back to Jan 2006, I'm not sure what the requirements would be for other companies but Jan 2006 is when the BACC submitted the initial claim.
As to 'how much' it would depend upon your companies pay structure. It's a very complex scenario as I'm sure you are aware as there are many poeople with differing pay scales.
The BA accomodation is an averaged one effectively so I would 'assume' that that will be the precedent taken forward.
The BA action dates back to Jan 2006, I'm not sure what the requirements would be for other companies but Jan 2006 is when the BACC submitted the initial claim.
As to 'how much' it would depend upon your companies pay structure. It's a very complex scenario as I'm sure you are aware as there are many poeople with differing pay scales.
The BA accomodation is an averaged one effectively so I would 'assume' that that will be the precedent taken forward.
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if it's not a too personal question
£millions wonker, £millions.
Enought for a nice pair of Farah, stay creased slacks.
(edited: After I stopped laughing! The same as everyone else Wonker, just the same as everyone else as it is an agreed group settlement. If you want figures go look 'em up yourself.)
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Don't be a bell end. There's not much to cheer for outside of BA if you're a BALPA member.
Ask the guys in Virgin how well BALPA did for them on this issue.
Now why don't you stop being such an annoying little Nigel clone type.
Man up.
Ask the guys in Virgin how well BALPA did for them on this issue.
Now why don't you stop being such an annoying little Nigel clone type.
Man up.
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On the subject of manning up, I am totally entitled to my opinion.
Just because you BA clones don't like it isn't my concern.
Most other pilots won't benefit from this wonderful victory that BALPA have spent huge sums on, so far purely for the benefit of BA pilots.
Ask the Virgin pilots how they got on. Not too well I think you'll find.
Thanks BALPA.
Just because you BA clones don't like it isn't my concern.
Most other pilots won't benefit from this wonderful victory that BALPA have spent huge sums on, so far purely for the benefit of BA pilots.
Ask the Virgin pilots how they got on. Not too well I think you'll find.
Thanks BALPA.