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I am totally entitled to my opinion
Spouting ill-informed nonsense makes you sound like a Bassa clone.
so far purely for the benefit of BA pilots
Sure you're not a Wonka-ite?
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Get off your high horse NR, BA are paying full costs to BALPA.
BA should have their own union as they have their own issues , which don't affect the rest of us and I have no inclination to pay for their actions ref. against open skies which cost BALPA £2m !!!! WTF !!! And this is why BALPA is now financially f$¥#%#% !
BA pilots live in a bubble to the rest of the pilot community as far as I care you can take BALPA and stick it. BA guys need their own union so they pay for their own representation , and the rest of us don't pay for it. I have moved now from BALPA to a union that will specifically represent me in my company.
BALPA's days are numbered, it really is for BA pilots only !!!
BAPLA are paying full cost which means all of us that are members are subsidising this.
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Get off your high horse NR, BA are paying full costs to BALPA.
BA should have their own union as they have their own issues , which don't affect the rest of us and I have no inclination to pay for their actions ref. against open skies which cost BALPA £2m !!!! WTF !!! And this is why BALPA is now financially f$¥#%#% !
BA pilots live in a bubble to the rest of the pilot community as far as I care you can take BALPA and stick it. BA guys need their own union so they pay for their own representation , and the rest of us don't pay for it. I have moved now from BALPA to a union that will specifically represent me in my company.
BALPA's days are numbered, it really is for BA pilots only !!!
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Any news about Thomson?
I was made redundant in 2010, after 4 years with the airline, so was wondering if there is a chance to claim back some money...
One can only dream :-p
I was made redundant in 2010, after 4 years with the airline, so was wondering if there is a chance to claim back some money...
One can only dream :-p
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What percentage of UK wide BALPA income do you think comes from BA pilots?
Do you think the BACC/BA Pilots get more money from BALPA than they contribute?
Take your time while pondering those two questions...
BA guys need their own union so they pay for their own representation , and the rest of us don't pay for it.
Do you think the BACC/BA Pilots get more money from BALPA than they contribute?
Take your time while pondering those two questions...
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What percentage of UK wide BALPA income do you think comes from BA pilots
BA operate around 256 a/c. In comparison an airline such as Virgin for example, seem to operate 39?
BA currently employ around 3,500 pilots. (who pay relatively high levels of subs) Many of home would be quite keen to see a separate union which they EASILY have the numbers, penetration and financing to support.
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What percentage of UK wide BALPA income do you think comes from BA pilots
Just so people can approximate this figure, and purely for the purposes of illustration:
BA operate around 256 a/c. In comparison an airline such as Virgin for example, seem to operate 39?
BA currently employ around 3,500 pilots. (who pay relatively high levels of subs) Many of home would be quite keen to see a separate union which they EASILY have the numbers, penetration and to support.
Just so people can approximate this figure, and purely for the purposes of illustration:
BA operate around 256 a/c. In comparison an airline such as Virgin for example, seem to operate 39?
BA currently employ around 3,500 pilots. (who pay relatively high levels of subs) Many of home would be quite keen to see a separate union which they EASILY have the numbers, penetration and to support.
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BIGBAD:
Clearly didn't think that through very well did we?.
Let's see, 3500 x (£75 avg - some pay £40, many pay £60-80 and quite a few pay over £100) x 12 = £3,150,000 annually from the BA community (more or less). I think we earned the right to spend £2.1m in ONE year on a test case which, in the end, served as a finger burner. As the saying goes: bad things happen for a reason; had we not done this then the BMI thing might have gone another way. Also, BALPA (BACC) are human and expected to make mistakes occasionally.
I'm genuinely sorry that Virgin's CC are not up to scratch. The members voted them in, we didn't, Jim McAuslan didn't vote them in and neither did Mark Searle (an EJ pilot BTW). Every airline has a slightly different set of problems which is why you have the CC.
I hope that your new Union works for you, BIGBAD, I really do but you have to ask yourself what you hope to achieve and how you are going to achieve it. Cutting your noses off to spite your faces is only going to hurt yourselves. You are still going to have to vote in a CC but this time they will have even less tools at their disposal because the experience, the resources and the expertise (as well as the financial backing) are gone. Until you get up to the level of BALPA on all these things... Virgin's management must be salivating at the thought of moving in for the kill. As I say, I hope I'm wrong because I have a few mates at Virgin.
As for the rest of you unfortunates without jobs or prospects etc. I'm genuinely sorry that this thread seems to be about US getting a load of money when you are all still struggling but I think the original intention of the thread was simply to acknowledge some hard work and determination on (mainly) the part of our CC but also by BALPA who do get a lot of stick.
As has been said before, if other unions spent less time bleating about their misfortunes and gnashing their teeth from the corners, they might have employed their energies to get their membership the same.
I have no inclination to pay for their actions ref. against open skies which cost BALPA £2m !!!! WTF !!! And this is why BALPA is now financially f$¥#%#% !
Let's see, 3500 x (£75 avg - some pay £40, many pay £60-80 and quite a few pay over £100) x 12 = £3,150,000 annually from the BA community (more or less). I think we earned the right to spend £2.1m in ONE year on a test case which, in the end, served as a finger burner. As the saying goes: bad things happen for a reason; had we not done this then the BMI thing might have gone another way. Also, BALPA (BACC) are human and expected to make mistakes occasionally.
I'm genuinely sorry that Virgin's CC are not up to scratch. The members voted them in, we didn't, Jim McAuslan didn't vote them in and neither did Mark Searle (an EJ pilot BTW). Every airline has a slightly different set of problems which is why you have the CC.
I hope that your new Union works for you, BIGBAD, I really do but you have to ask yourself what you hope to achieve and how you are going to achieve it. Cutting your noses off to spite your faces is only going to hurt yourselves. You are still going to have to vote in a CC but this time they will have even less tools at their disposal because the experience, the resources and the expertise (as well as the financial backing) are gone. Until you get up to the level of BALPA on all these things... Virgin's management must be salivating at the thought of moving in for the kill. As I say, I hope I'm wrong because I have a few mates at Virgin.
As for the rest of you unfortunates without jobs or prospects etc. I'm genuinely sorry that this thread seems to be about US getting a load of money when you are all still struggling but I think the original intention of the thread was simply to acknowledge some hard work and determination on (mainly) the part of our CC but also by BALPA who do get a lot of stick.
As has been said before, if other unions spent less time bleating about their misfortunes and gnashing their teeth from the corners, they might have employed their energies to get their membership the same.
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... maybe, but Virgin still got stitched at the last minute when they had a clear mandate if the rumour is true - so what the hell is happening at the British Air Lines' Puppet Association?
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This is just such utter drivel - BALPA is not just for BA and that has never been more true than today. I have been a member of BALPA throughout my aviation career covering 5 different airlines, none of them being BA. They have done a great job for me and I have no complaints. Let me ask you BIGBAD, are you an ex-Dan-Air pilot perchance? If you are, just remember they went under more than 20 years ago because the whole outfit was a financial mess. Can we not just move on please?
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Little Meercat, if you are going to bring Dan Air into this discussion at least get your facts straight, even if the company was a 'financial mess' as you put it, that is no excuse for Balpa to completely stitch up their members in that airline, what happened then was, and still is a disgrace. 
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BALPA for once have done us a great service however if anyone thinks they are in for a payout I would say don't get too excited. I wouldn't even know how a figure could even be calculated.
I used to work for Ryanair and i received £60 a day whilst on leave. This did not come close to work I could have earned if I was working so where do us PAYE ex and current Ryanair pilots stand?
I don't understand what we could be entitled too?
A union needs as many in the collective bargaining unit as possible. Every member that leaves weakens the union.
I used to work for Ryanair and i received £60 a day whilst on leave. This did not come close to work I could have earned if I was working so where do us PAYE ex and current Ryanair pilots stand?
I don't understand what we could be entitled too?
A union needs as many in the collective bargaining unit as possible. Every member that leaves weakens the union.
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Ok just to defend the BA pilot bashing and BALPA bashing. I have been in two airlines before BA and to be honest BA is much like the others but I now work harder than before. These snipes I take it are driven by the stories of jumbo skippers on £150K, final salary pensions whilst drinking their tea out of china cups? Well I am sure the stories are true but for the very vast majority in BA it is nothing like this at all. In my previous airline I worked three at a push four days in a week but at BA its more like 5 or 6 and just recently 7 on, 1 off and then another 6 on. All I am trying to point out is that most BA pilots don't fit the stereo type given.
On the BALPA side of things I have been less than impressed with it and quite frankly I have very good reason for being so. I decided to stay because without representation as a group we have nothing. Out of the blue I get a email about holiday pay and it informs me that both ex BMI and BA pilots will be receiving a settlement. BACC looking out for ex bmi guys, yes I was surprised too. It also said that this issue affects our colleagues in cabin crew and that all information was being shared with UNITE (no mention of bassa) and BALPA was supporting these unions. It also said that this test case now opened the doors for the hearings for easyjet, virgin, thompson and thomas cook employees in the coming months.
I think this defends the position against BALPA only looking out for BA pilots. When your not in BA BALPA is the British airways pilots association. When your in BA it becomes the British Airways long haul pilots association. Having seen a industry that went down the route of split unions I certainly expect we would be far far worse off.
On the BALPA side of things I have been less than impressed with it and quite frankly I have very good reason for being so. I decided to stay because without representation as a group we have nothing. Out of the blue I get a email about holiday pay and it informs me that both ex BMI and BA pilots will be receiving a settlement. BACC looking out for ex bmi guys, yes I was surprised too. It also said that this issue affects our colleagues in cabin crew and that all information was being shared with UNITE (no mention of bassa) and BALPA was supporting these unions. It also said that this test case now opened the doors for the hearings for easyjet, virgin, thompson and thomas cook employees in the coming months.
I think this defends the position against BALPA only looking out for BA pilots. When your not in BA BALPA is the British airways pilots association. When your in BA it becomes the British Airways long haul pilots association. Having seen a industry that went down the route of split unions I certainly expect we would be far far worse off.
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The above post is quite correct, BA T&Cs are not what they were, has a spirited defense been made of them by BALPA for the recent joiners? No, I don't think so. Wille is off his leash and tearing chunks out of all of you.
