pimping the pilot profession
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Manchester
Age: 47
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What complete rubbish, stating that P2F is the only way to survive!!!! It's the likes of P2F that is bringing down the reputable companies like Singapore. It allows the disreputable loco operators to undercut everyone else because their overheads are so low due to P2F!
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Domaine de la Romanee-Conti
Posts: 1,691
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
1 Post
I wouldn't worry too much about it, the guy behind this email is a well known scam artist who's been circulating the "wannabes" areas of PPRUNE for a while now. He's started a few threads now under various user names, full of pompous waffle about the inevitability of P2F, and he always deletes them as soon as anyone questions his credibility. Getting kids to pay to fly is bad enough, but this guy's SOP seems to be getting kids to pay for nothing except years worth of lies and promises of being in a "holding pool".
Got to love all those congratulations to "the team" and the "we have expanded into Paris Dubai" blah blah blah. It's ONE guy who's an FO for an Indian loco, and he has a sideline in scamming Indian wannabes into paying him to submit CVs to Lion Air on their behalf. That's all.
I bet he's crapping himself now that the Indonesian authorities have passed the new law banning P2F and he's not going to be able to fulfil his bullsh!t promises to those angry young Indian rich kids with rich influential daddies, who he promised the earth and took their money. A few years in an Indian jail coming up soon
Got to love all those congratulations to "the team" and the "we have expanded into Paris Dubai" blah blah blah. It's ONE guy who's an FO for an Indian loco, and he has a sideline in scamming Indian wannabes into paying him to submit CVs to Lion Air on their behalf. That's all.
I bet he's crapping himself now that the Indonesian authorities have passed the new law banning P2F and he's not going to be able to fulfil his bullsh!t promises to those angry young Indian rich kids with rich influential daddies, who he promised the earth and took their money. A few years in an Indian jail coming up soon
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Germany
Age: 40
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think it is time to clarify just exactly who this flygosh person is, and what he can and cannot do.
First, let's get one thing clear: he is mostly talk.
Now let's get to his background:
He's Malaysian. After uni, he flew as a flight attendant for a while. Then he did his pilot training, and then he joined Sriwijaya in Indonesia on a P2F scheme on the 737 Classic. He is still there, though now properly employed as an F/O.
He started a blog (flygosh.com) about how to become an F/A or pilot, and at some point was approached by an Indonesian agency called Avia Integrated to advertise their programs on his blog. Flygosh probably gets some sort of kickback for every contact or client he passes on, but make no mistake about it: Avia calls the shots, and flygosh gets them some publicity/free advertising through his social media presence. Avia keeps the money. Flygosh is a figurehead, and a poor one at that. That said, he is very good at talking himself up while hiding the fact that he's useless, powerless and a complete waste of time. He's the Kim Kardashian of the aviation world.
The "team" he refers to is the team at Avia Integrated, who are the ones who organize recruiting events, get pilots processed, etc. Their results are somewhat mixed. They delivered what they promised to experienced pilots (they sent two batches of candidates with 500 hours on type on the A320 to Citilink, for example), but their programs for low-hour pilots have mostly involved waiting for Godot.
For example, they did a recruitment for Merpati where they looked for pilots to fly the MA60 (a Chinese-built turboprop), with a self-paid type rating (at a cost of twenty-something thousand USD, can't remember the exact figure). They found quite a few guys dumb enough to do it, selected them about this time last year, and most of them still have not flown the aircraft. They did get them set up with Indonesian paperwork, sent them for the type rating, etc. but it just involved ridiculous amounts of waiting. The first of these pilots finally flew their base training on the MA60 in December.
They had a few other programs that involved very long lead times as well, or that ended up going nowhere. However, things worked out as planned when experienced pilots were involved.
And given the new regulatory framework in Indonesia, it is very likely that this is how things will remain for the near future.
First, let's get one thing clear: he is mostly talk.
Now let's get to his background:
He's Malaysian. After uni, he flew as a flight attendant for a while. Then he did his pilot training, and then he joined Sriwijaya in Indonesia on a P2F scheme on the 737 Classic. He is still there, though now properly employed as an F/O.
He started a blog (flygosh.com) about how to become an F/A or pilot, and at some point was approached by an Indonesian agency called Avia Integrated to advertise their programs on his blog. Flygosh probably gets some sort of kickback for every contact or client he passes on, but make no mistake about it: Avia calls the shots, and flygosh gets them some publicity/free advertising through his social media presence. Avia keeps the money. Flygosh is a figurehead, and a poor one at that. That said, he is very good at talking himself up while hiding the fact that he's useless, powerless and a complete waste of time. He's the Kim Kardashian of the aviation world.
The "team" he refers to is the team at Avia Integrated, who are the ones who organize recruiting events, get pilots processed, etc. Their results are somewhat mixed. They delivered what they promised to experienced pilots (they sent two batches of candidates with 500 hours on type on the A320 to Citilink, for example), but their programs for low-hour pilots have mostly involved waiting for Godot.
For example, they did a recruitment for Merpati where they looked for pilots to fly the MA60 (a Chinese-built turboprop), with a self-paid type rating (at a cost of twenty-something thousand USD, can't remember the exact figure). They found quite a few guys dumb enough to do it, selected them about this time last year, and most of them still have not flown the aircraft. They did get them set up with Indonesian paperwork, sent them for the type rating, etc. but it just involved ridiculous amounts of waiting. The first of these pilots finally flew their base training on the MA60 in December.
They had a few other programs that involved very long lead times as well, or that ended up going nowhere. However, things worked out as planned when experienced pilots were involved.
And given the new regulatory framework in Indonesia, it is very likely that this is how things will remain for the near future.
