Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
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From: FUBAR
Heard a doubling of the base within the next year (not to mention the addition of the "plastic fantastic" ) so anyone looking to get tr@shed in Crawley (I remember my Summer contract with Excel in 2002 with some fondness 
) should have their wishes fulfilled sooner than later 
) should have their wishes fulfilled sooner than later
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From: Planet earth
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Sounds pretty good regarding gatwick! I hope to end up here myself after doing 6 months in BGO. It does seems like everybody is going to be based in TFS for at least a winter, so we will see.
Does anyone know what to expect on a K-contract Salary? And that's Gross and net both!
I have the figures from the contract, but another thing is reality (Actual Per diems etc.)
Does anyone know what to expect on a K-contract Salary? And that's Gross and net both!
I have the figures from the contract, but another thing is reality (Actual Per diems etc.)
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From: Utopia
Personally speaking, and for most people I've spoken to, the 5/4 trial in LGW has been very successful. I hope that it will continue until a permanent fixed pattern is assigned.
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From: Europe
Any one knows how is the process when do you start as FO??
The onlything I know is starting on March 24 the OCC, after that no ideas what to expect....
What are the chances to be base in Spain???
Thanks a lot.
The onlything I know is starting on March 24 the OCC, after that no ideas what to expect....
What are the chances to be base in Spain???
Thanks a lot.
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From: 3 NM on final!
Hi guys!
I've seen ARPI is asking for 6000 hours whereas NAS asks for just 5000 on their website. Anybody knows why such a difference?
What u think the chances are to be hired with just 500 hours 737 PIC but over 5000 on type?
Thanks!
I've seen ARPI is asking for 6000 hours whereas NAS asks for just 5000 on their website. Anybody knows why such a difference?
What u think the chances are to be hired with just 500 hours 737 PIC but over 5000 on type?
Thanks!
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From: FUBAR
DC8 obviously the more experienced guys they can hire, the better for them (like anywhere) Initial application is made through Norwegian & each course is hired through one of 3 agencies, I would say the NAS requirements are what you have to believe, as you may be hired in any case through Confair/PARC.
liveview , we have bases in BCN/MAD/ALC/AGP/TFS/LPA + LGW/HEL for Contractors, so. . . . how would you assess your chances of a Spanish base
You may find that most of your 1st 6mths in NAS is spent in Scandilands to cover OCC/Sim /L Tng but I would say the chance of a Spanish base at the end of it is "not unlikely".
liveview , we have bases in BCN/MAD/ALC/AGP/TFS/LPA + LGW/HEL for Contractors, so. . . . how would you assess your chances of a Spanish base
You may find that most of your 1st 6mths in NAS is spent in Scandilands to cover OCC/Sim /L Tng but I would say the chance of a Spanish base at the end of it is "not unlikely".
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From: 3 NM on final!
Thanks captps. I was wondering if anyone has been hired with minimum PIC time. I'm trying to make up my mind wether I should apply with just 500 hours or wait till I get close to 1000 PIC. Lets see... 
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From: Utopia
DC-8
No harm in applying. They are flexible to some extent for the right candidates. Even if you don't have the exact hours now, by the time the assessment process takes place and you're allocated a conversion course etc. you'll be even closer to those hours anyway.
Good luck!
No harm in applying. They are flexible to some extent for the right candidates. Even if you don't have the exact hours now, by the time the assessment process takes place and you're allocated a conversion course etc. you'll be even closer to those hours anyway.
Good luck!
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From: FUBAR
Depends whether you pay the "Beckam tax" ( 24.75% AFAIK on all income for non residents ) or normal Spanish tax. In the latter case it will depend if you are married/kids etc etc. I believe most are taking around 7000€ after deductions including block hr payment etc.
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From: not in paradise
Well, according to the contract they've sent me.
Basic salary + flight allowance is taxeable
Flight pay + telephone is not
Can anyone confirm this? Also could you let me know how is the flight pay calculated. I understand is 17€ block hours but is it actual block hour flown or scheduled block hour. Are they generous? Do you get 1hour before flight as well?
As for LTC is an extra 22€ per hour but as I see it only when training. Is it correct?
Basic salary + flight allowance is taxeable
Flight pay + telephone is not
Can anyone confirm this? Also could you let me know how is the flight pay calculated. I understand is 17€ block hours but is it actual block hour flown or scheduled block hour. Are they generous? Do you get 1hour before flight as well?
As for LTC is an extra 22€ per hour but as I see it only when training. Is it correct?
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From: 30 West
Unfortunately the questions being asked about tax are repetitive. Sadly this is a Pilot forum not an accountant or tax advisor forum. Each country will be different and each individual will be different depending on family size/status etc etc etc. Tax is individual and costly if you have the incorrect advice.
My suggestion is go and pay the fees you need to get professional tax advice and don't make the same mistakes at NAS that were made by Ryanair Pilots which are now resulting in home raids and tax bills in various countries across Europe. Hopefully the large amount of guys moving across from Ryanair have learnt their mistakes and will do things correct this time, rather then sit around waiting for all the answers delivered on a plate while doing nothing to help themselves.
Sorry if that is overly blunt. The gross figures are no secret but we have no input into your net figures - some guys can't claim expenses, others have creative accountants, others are on non-resident tax schemes, some even claim they are sole traders despite what it being clearly stated in their contract their are employees. The point is everyone is different and information on this forum is either individual specific or complete guesswork.
If one really wants ball park figures there options. Take the gross figures, which are no secret and use the calculators online for each country which allow you to enter your gross earnings and family status. I have found and used good calculators for Spain and the UK.
This is a very useful thread for information about NAS. Don't let it derail into everyone asking what NET pay will you get in each base. If your already in the system talk with your agency.
Those weighing up moving from blue to red should also consider that money is not the only factor. You can not put a price on being treated like a human being.
My suggestion is go and pay the fees you need to get professional tax advice and don't make the same mistakes at NAS that were made by Ryanair Pilots which are now resulting in home raids and tax bills in various countries across Europe. Hopefully the large amount of guys moving across from Ryanair have learnt their mistakes and will do things correct this time, rather then sit around waiting for all the answers delivered on a plate while doing nothing to help themselves.
Sorry if that is overly blunt. The gross figures are no secret but we have no input into your net figures - some guys can't claim expenses, others have creative accountants, others are on non-resident tax schemes, some even claim they are sole traders despite what it being clearly stated in their contract their are employees. The point is everyone is different and information on this forum is either individual specific or complete guesswork.
If one really wants ball park figures there options. Take the gross figures, which are no secret and use the calculators online for each country which allow you to enter your gross earnings and family status. I have found and used good calculators for Spain and the UK.
This is a very useful thread for information about NAS.
Don't let it derail into everyone asking what NET pay will you get in each base. If your already in the system talk with your agency. Those weighing up moving from blue to red should also consider that money is not the only factor. You can not put a price on being treated like a human being.
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From: FUBAR
jedy, think it is 25€/hr, and yes , only whilst training. Actual or scheduled ? appears to be scheduled, but some mths I cannot get it to add up, so seems (maybe ) if you take longer you get more ? but my calculator can't quite figure it out. No payment for 1hr before (report time) but 4 Blk Hrs paid per SBY.
widebody, I have tried to make the same point several times before, but no-one wants to believe me. . . we all have different circumstances & therefore the answer is "I have no idea".
Gross I know exactly , net ? you tell me.
widebody, I have tried to make the same point several times before, but no-one wants to believe me. . . we all have different circumstances & therefore the answer is "I have no idea".
Gross I know exactly , net ? you tell me.
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From: not in paradise
Once again, Captplaystation many thanks for all your valuable information. I'm just trying to get all the possible information before making the right move. As we all said before everyone is different and have many different situations.
In my case it seems that I will loose a lot of money and the possibility of been based very far away from my family on a difficult roster to commute makes my personal decision very complicated.
Widebody: I know what I need to do, don't you worry about that. But still difficult to calculate your earnings with your accountant when there are some elements in the contract not so clear.
This is a pilot forum. If we don't talk about terms and conditions what else can we talk about. Maybe you can call me and we can go on about flaps and landing gears ...
And also are you sure you are getting treated like a rock star in there because you sound a little bit bitter and please stop bragging about your contract because it is really not that impressive.
In my case it seems that I will loose a lot of money and the possibility of been based very far away from my family on a difficult roster to commute makes my personal decision very complicated.
Widebody: I know what I need to do, don't you worry about that. But still difficult to calculate your earnings with your accountant when there are some elements in the contract not so clear.
This is a pilot forum. If we don't talk about terms and conditions what else can we talk about. Maybe you can call me and we can go on about flaps and landing gears ...
And also are you sure you are getting treated like a rock star in there because you sound a little bit bitter and please stop bragging about your contract because it is really not that impressive.
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From: Gatwick
Calm down calm down
Jedy
I think the point being made is that very few will come out with the same nett, but everyone will get the same gross subject to rank/hours flown/agency
Of course you not treated like a rock star, but you are treated with respect ! & especially by the crewing department, who unlike in so many companies don't think they own your life and understand that you have one, for many that will be enough!!
It's not like working for a low cost airline ( or flying with one from a passenger experience ) we routinely night stop in hotels provided and paid for by the company, you are provide with all the company logo ed luggage to do that.
Rosters vary from base to base, but for most days off are in good block.
If your a skipper work 650-700 hours plus ( in my case a day bought a quarter) then it's around € 125k or so GROSS
More importantly it's a pleasant place to work and money can't buy that
I think the point being made is that very few will come out with the same nett, but everyone will get the same gross subject to rank/hours flown/agency
Of course you not treated like a rock star, but you are treated with respect ! & especially by the crewing department, who unlike in so many companies don't think they own your life and understand that you have one, for many that will be enough!!
It's not like working for a low cost airline ( or flying with one from a passenger experience ) we routinely night stop in hotels provided and paid for by the company, you are provide with all the company logo ed luggage to do that.
Rosters vary from base to base, but for most days off are in good block.
If your a skipper work 650-700 hours plus ( in my case a day bought a quarter) then it's around € 125k or so GROSS
More importantly it's a pleasant place to work and money can't buy that
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From: FUBAR
Given that the current Berlin we use is a tiny wee airport, I suspect they are waiting for the Germans to fix the "white elephant" before opening a Berlin base.
Oh BTW, well said widebdy, an accurate summary of the current status. . . . . .except your post has vanished as I type . . WTF ?
Oh BTW, well said widebdy, an accurate summary of the current status. . . . . .except your post has vanished as I type . . WTF ?
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From: World
DEC interview and sim
Hi all,
Last update on screening:
no more MAP personality online test apparently.
Sim screening exactly as announced and straightforward: T/O eng running on RWY with 15kt Xwind, return for ILS raw data and land.
T/O with severe damage at V1, return for VOR app with A/P, go around then ILS eng out with FD no A/P to land.
Interview 45 min with 2 persons 1 from HR, 1 pilot with basic tech questions (Vmcg, V1, RVSM requirements, 738 limitations on APU, alt, Nb of spoilers, LDG hyd syst and transfer unit etc) and basic HR questions about your carreer and you as well as personal CRM cases exemples.
Very nice and efficient overall.
Good Luck
Last update on screening:
no more MAP personality online test apparently.
Sim screening exactly as announced and straightforward: T/O eng running on RWY with 15kt Xwind, return for ILS raw data and land.
T/O with severe damage at V1, return for VOR app with A/P, go around then ILS eng out with FD no A/P to land.
Interview 45 min with 2 persons 1 from HR, 1 pilot with basic tech questions (Vmcg, V1, RVSM requirements, 738 limitations on APU, alt, Nb of spoilers, LDG hyd syst and transfer unit etc) and basic HR questions about your carreer and you as well as personal CRM cases exemples.
Very nice and efficient overall.
Good Luck