Staff Travel for bmi retirees
Uncle Pete
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Bengerman:-
Sorry mate, I only do fact.
To everyone else I only started this thread to show what a sad shower of
we worked for....... Nuf said!!
Sorry mate, I only do fact.
To everyone else I only started this thread to show what a sad shower of
we worked for....... Nuf said!!
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Forced out the door....
I have just read all this about our wonderful perk of staff travel. The hard facts are that GOOD British Airways and British Midland staff are being forced out the door in certain locations. This should be the debate. People who have given 20 years or more service, have been asked to move on! There are BA people who were happy working for a successful company with no problems on the horizon, buy BMI and next thing they are out the door! please have some thoughts for the BA and BMI staff who are actually losing employment. Just to add insult to injury, the severance package offered to BMI was almost twice that of BA (Engineering).
Life just ain't fair is it? Before you cry tears for retired BMI staff just look at what BA have done to their own pensioners. About 4 years BA unilaterally changed the rules for what they now call the politically correct term "former employees". Basically instead of giving staff travel at normal retirement they decided that it would be given immediately for the number of years the staff member served instead of waiting until their normal retirement age as previously. Fair enough for those who resign to pursue further careers or raise a family.
Now consider those who had made a lifetime career in the company to whom these rules were retrospectively applied. I know several sprightly globe-trotting octogenarian pensioners who are about to lose their entitlement next spring (or is it the year after? - everyone affected within the next 5 years from introduction of the new rules were given a 5 year "notice" period).
These guys had done the thick end of 26 years in the airline having joined from the Forces or other airlines - cadets were unheard of then. They were retired at 55, the normal retirement age and have been pensioners ever since. They will now find themselves in the position of having no access to staff travel whereas anyone who has a retired entitlement from any of the myriad airlines with who BA has a ZED agreement can continue to travel regardless of their length of service.
Of course the representations made fell upon deaf ears, it was clearly stated that staff travel is a privilege and not an entitlement and they can change the rules at will.
I don't really have a horse in this race as I will be nearly 89 when my entitlement expires (if I haven't also expired by then) and any youngster in their mid twenties when they join and retiring at NRA will have to have their telegram from the Queen (sorry - King) before they are forced back to full fare travel.
The above information is to illustrate the contempt with which the modern day touchy/feely BA management treat their own pensioners. If any BMI pensioner believes that they will wrestle any concessions (sic) from them, well - Good Luck.
Now consider those who had made a lifetime career in the company to whom these rules were retrospectively applied. I know several sprightly globe-trotting octogenarian pensioners who are about to lose their entitlement next spring (or is it the year after? - everyone affected within the next 5 years from introduction of the new rules were given a 5 year "notice" period).
These guys had done the thick end of 26 years in the airline having joined from the Forces or other airlines - cadets were unheard of then. They were retired at 55, the normal retirement age and have been pensioners ever since. They will now find themselves in the position of having no access to staff travel whereas anyone who has a retired entitlement from any of the myriad airlines with who BA has a ZED agreement can continue to travel regardless of their length of service.
Of course the representations made fell upon deaf ears, it was clearly stated that staff travel is a privilege and not an entitlement and they can change the rules at will.
I don't really have a horse in this race as I will be nearly 89 when my entitlement expires (if I haven't also expired by then) and any youngster in their mid twenties when they join and retiring at NRA will have to have their telegram from the Queen (sorry - King) before they are forced back to full fare travel.
The above information is to illustrate the contempt with which the modern day touchy/feely BA management treat their own pensioners. If any BMI pensioner believes that they will wrestle any concessions (sic) from them, well - Good Luck.
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When any company buys/takes over another company, it is the norm to for the staff that have been taken over to maintain there current benefits, length of service, salary etc.
What makes the aviation industry any different.
What makes the aviation industry any different.
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As I recall this thread is about BMI retirees mot current staff. TUPE regulations do indeed protect current staff - the airline industry is no different in that. Not sure how TUPE protects former staff, perhaps a lawyer out there could clear that one up. currentbBMI staff have no residual staff travel rights form their BMI time just the normal BA staff travel based on length of service within BA. As the retirees have no service within BA they have no BA staff travel - not suggesting this is right just how it is. Also BA are not liable for the pensions of former BMI staff that burden falls to Lufty who have scandalously walked away from their responsibilities, so perhaps legally, Lufty have more responsibility for these staff than BA.
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Hi Pete,
I've read this thread with both interest and dismay - as one of your former Diesel '9 colleagues who left bmi for elsewhere, I know you to be a thoroughly good bloke and I'm saddened at some of the vitriol heaped upon you by (probably) the young spice boys of the profession. You know, the ones that wear an earring when off-duty. But that's the problem with posting here.
FWIW, Pete, when I retire from Tommy Cook shortly, I get no concessions in retirement. It did annoy me - for a couple of days - until I accepted that in the wider scheme of things, it doesn't really matter! All the best
I've read this thread with both interest and dismay - as one of your former Diesel '9 colleagues who left bmi for elsewhere, I know you to be a thoroughly good bloke and I'm saddened at some of the vitriol heaped upon you by (probably) the young spice boys of the profession. You know, the ones that wear an earring when off-duty. But that's the problem with posting here.
FWIW, Pete, when I retire from Tommy Cook shortly, I get no concessions in retirement. It did annoy me - for a couple of days - until I accepted that in the wider scheme of things, it doesn't really matter! All the best
