BMI mainline pilots made redundant?
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From: Camp X-Ray
I think we've already been through all the reasons why it won't be a growing bubble MrBenip. All future recruitment is into mainline, not the bubble. Unless your cloning yourselves that bubble aint growing.
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From: Uk
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City flyer, that is my point. BA managers are saying we must all act as one integrated airline to benefit fully from the synergies but the dangers of not being so play into the hands of IAG. Bmi as a balloon is like a Trojan horse being let in. When the squeeze comes for more efficiencies it would be possible to introduce these simply by expanding the balloon or forcing people on to these terms (iberia although not technically the same) I thought I was taking a more humorous approach to a topic which often leads to snipes at one another. Remember if you are in BA or bmi then we will be working together so let's keep it light hearted and share the odd joke. Sorry if animals of the equestrian variety offend you. 
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From: London
As an outsider looking in it seems that those who don't have it, seniority in BA, don't want it because it blocks potential career progression in a one step forward 2 steps back sort of way, and negates their bmi seniority which makes the time put in seem suddenly not worth very much, frustrating.
Those that have it obviously see its potential loss as a loss to their perhaps not so quick but I presume predictable career progression, and the associated benefits, and would dilute their time put in to less than its present worth.
Regardless if change is introduced it will be change for the worse I suspect, as the company (as all companies these days) will use the opportunity for cost savings.
My advice for what its worth is when weighing up the pros and cons, is to ask, what are the advantages/disadvantages to me in the next 1-5 years and what are the advantages/disadvantages to me in the next 10-20 years, then take a balanced view.
Reminds me a bit of the retirement age debate.
Those that have it obviously see its potential loss as a loss to their perhaps not so quick but I presume predictable career progression, and the associated benefits, and would dilute their time put in to less than its present worth.
Regardless if change is introduced it will be change for the worse I suspect, as the company (as all companies these days) will use the opportunity for cost savings.
My advice for what its worth is when weighing up the pros and cons, is to ask, what are the advantages/disadvantages to me in the next 1-5 years and what are the advantages/disadvantages to me in the next 10-20 years, then take a balanced view.
Reminds me a bit of the retirement age debate.
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From: EGKK
As long as the management pilots have the ability to accept a loss of that role of course they should be allowed to remain employed. Anyone who suggests out of bitterness of "lets knock the management" OR "knock the Training Pilot" syndrome and have them dismissed has never experienced the distress and upset mid career redundancy causes not just to the employee but also their family. What BA are doing by seeking to make redundant those with management or training qualifications is despicable and is very similar to the devisive way the Dan Air NCL/MAN B734 pilots were treated in OCT 1992. Hopefully this will not happen and as along as a BMI TRI/TRE has the personal strength and discipline to accept the role loss and his/her new status a secure career awaits. Disgraceful that personal enmity from BMI employees should suggest otherwise.
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From: Cloud Cookoo Land
Its not the sale cost you should be considering. Its the overall liabilities of the company that is being purchased compared against it's forecasts. Hence the reason why DLH and now IAG can't off load baby.
Its fantastic news in my opinion, however it boils down to nothing more than a hand washing exercise by IAG who, if no buyer was found, would have shut down regional as well.
I'm pretty sure the costs of doing so would have also been a determining factor in the overall sale price.
Its fantastic news in my opinion, however it boils down to nothing more than a hand washing exercise by IAG who, if no buyer was found, would have shut down regional as well.
I'm pretty sure the costs of doing so would have also been a determining factor in the overall sale price.
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From: UK
You need to remember the name of this thread which is why I posted the news here. As for baby I am sure we are all hoping for a good outcome for all the pilots affected. Some of them are friends of mine.
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Ooh, hurrah for you. Never mind about those at baby with no firm prospects on the horizon.
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From: Out of a bag
I haven't heard much shouting from mainline pilots to integrate flight deck from baby as well. With regular announcements in the press about other airlines taking on baby routes, and that baby is to be shut down (forget that it is still technically one of the options out there), there's not much to be positive about.
So much for being part of a 'Group'.