Iberia Express
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Scab is suggesting they crossed a picket line, did they ? I doubt it.
I haven't heard of any IFALPA recruitment ban either.
Given that most of them have probably come from Spanair, I would rather say
well done for finding a job.
Perhaps before you start bad-mouthing professional colleagues, you could give some consideration to the fact they may wish to eat too.
If Iberia pilots are unhappy with this development, it is to them to protest, & seek to rectify the situation, via their pilots association.
They should neither expect, nor rely on , unemployed pilots refusing job offers.
Grow up
I haven't heard of any IFALPA recruitment ban either.
Given that most of them have probably come from Spanair, I would rather say
well done for finding a job.Perhaps before you start bad-mouthing professional colleagues, you could give some consideration to the fact they may wish to eat too.
If Iberia pilots are unhappy with this development, it is to them to protest, & seek to rectify the situation, via their pilots association.
They should neither expect, nor rely on , unemployed pilots refusing job offers.
Grow up
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Captplaystation, stop your buul!!!!. some spanair guys have been recruited but just a few of them are in the new IB Express. Lots of Ib Express pilots are coming from Vueling, Air Europa and Air Nostrum while they have taken a long unpaid leave in their company.
Spanish language is a must
Recomendation is a must
Type rating is highly prefered
Spanish language is a must
Recomendation is a must
Type rating is highly prefered
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Iberia is transfering planes and routes to Iberia Express, up to 40 A-320's.
Iberia pilots have been on strike because of this. Their contract with the company states that Iberia cannot transfer flights out of MAD to other companys without pilots approval. Iberia Express pilots are not exactly crossing a picket line. Pilots stikes in Spain don't have picket lines. The Ministry of Transportation approves on certain dates only the cacellation of part of the flights, the rest have to be flown.
What would you call a pilot that knowingly accepts a job for a company that is doing the flights of another company whose pilots are on strike?
Iberia pilots are to resume the strikes shortly, an agreement with the company hasn't been reached.
Iberia pilots have been on strike because of this. Their contract with the company states that Iberia cannot transfer flights out of MAD to other companys without pilots approval. Iberia Express pilots are not exactly crossing a picket line. Pilots stikes in Spain don't have picket lines. The Ministry of Transportation approves on certain dates only the cacellation of part of the flights, the rest have to be flown.
What would you call a pilot that knowingly accepts a job for a company that is doing the flights of another company whose pilots are on strike?
Iberia pilots are to resume the strikes shortly, an agreement with the company hasn't been reached.
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Captplaystation, I´m not spanish and I have nothing to do with any spanish company either, but this IB Express is the perfect example of what is becoming this industry: a disgusting and a complete nightmare for all the people involved with this industry.
These "new" companies using the so called "low cost" model, invented this brilliant idea: divide to conquer, using humiliating T&C to "offer" jobs to unemployed or inexperienced pilots, with extremely low wages, nasty working conditions, precarious contracts, etc.
Maybe we shouldn't call "scabs" to all the pilots who will be flying to IB Express, but some of them certainly are.
I know this may sound pure utopia, but I think it is about time to ALL european pilots to get united and fight against this outrageous type of management.
These "new" companies using the so called "low cost" model, invented this brilliant idea: divide to conquer, using humiliating T&C to "offer" jobs to unemployed or inexperienced pilots, with extremely low wages, nasty working conditions, precarious contracts, etc.
Maybe we shouldn't call "scabs" to all the pilots who will be flying to IB Express, but some of them certainly are.
I know this may sound pure utopia, but I think it is about time to ALL european pilots to get united and fight against this outrageous type of management.
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Maybe it could be constructive to give the terms and conditions for this company. At the moment all I can see is a fight between some pilots (quite common) but without having a clue about the reasons of this fight.
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The only reason for this fight is survival.
Iberia's pilots are trying to maintain their jobs facing a new company that is taking over their flights.
If you are curious about the terms and conditions of this express experiment all I can tell is that they aren't considering quite experienced ExSpanair crews
. They are aiming for a different profile...
Happy landings.
Iberia's pilots are trying to maintain their jobs facing a new company that is taking over their flights.
If you are curious about the terms and conditions of this express experiment all I can tell is that they aren't considering quite experienced ExSpanair crews
. They are aiming for a different profile...Happy landings.
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Iberia's pilots are trying to maintain their jobs facing a new company that is taking over their flights.
Perhaps they should look a bit more closely at their financial performance over the past 12 months and realise that such performance is not sustainable.
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CLA 10 yrs old?
No man, it was signed 3 yrs ago. And as we were foreseeing the upcoming evnts, we set up a clause particularly establishing any outsourcing for a new airline or BA with IB´s flight hours would be illegal. That´s exactly what´s happening. And none, I repeat, NONE of the new IBEX was unemployed by the airline start-up time. Please , more infos before speaking,
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Just remember the Continental Airlines pilots strike back in the early 80's.
CAL-ALPA lost the strike, and I think that marked the beginning of the end of the good old times for the airline pilot profession. If Iberia pilots lose this fight, what's going to be at stake here? Is BA-BALPA next?
CAL-ALPA lost the strike, and I think that marked the beginning of the end of the good old times for the airline pilot profession. If Iberia pilots lose this fight, what's going to be at stake here? Is BA-BALPA next?
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It's doubtful IB Express will be a success anyway. Their fare levels seem to be simply another (slightly less expensive) tariff band on IB's main booking website. There are no bargains to be had and no much publicised 25 euro tickets available, unless you book a midnight return ticket in the traditional manner 
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Iberia's CLA was signed on 2009.
No unemployed pilot has been recruited for this s**t. No Spanair pilot either as they are Unión pilots and Express just wants scab pilots. None of the pilots working for Express belong to a union, they are strikebreakers, as we say in Spain, the worst from each house.
Most of they come from Vueling, a couple from Air Nostrum. The only prerequisites were no Union, no MEL, no CLA, no father known,...
We shall never surrender.
Fuerza y Honor
No unemployed pilot has been recruited for this s**t. No Spanair pilot either as they are Unión pilots and Express just wants scab pilots. None of the pilots working for Express belong to a union, they are strikebreakers, as we say in Spain, the worst from each house.
Most of they come from Vueling, a couple from Air Nostrum. The only prerequisites were no Union, no MEL, no CLA, no father known,...
We shall never surrender.
Fuerza y Honor
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How do you define scab ?
As there is a strike, working for Iberia express is the same as crossing a picket line.
The guys who go to Iberia Express are helping to break a strike, and meanwhile accepting poorer working conditions to live in madrid.
Dont think it is ethical to go to Iberia express now.
One of the guys told me well if I dont go someone else will.
What do you tell the guy who has no job? And goes to express.
Good luck to the Iberia pilots, and if the Iberia pilots come to a deal, which scares the express low paid mercernaries.
Normally mercenaries are well paid,
So these Iberia express guys are now getting abused on the radio and you can bet they will have enemies for life in Madrid.
Do they deserve the abuse ?
Do the express pilots who come from Vueling have morals just to live in Madrid ? Are they contributing to the degradation of all our conditions with ryanair in madrid ?
Why do the politicians in Spain welcome Ryanair with open arms as spanish companies close ?
you can bet those Iberia express pilots will not get much help from Iberia
As there is a strike, working for Iberia express is the same as crossing a picket line.
The guys who go to Iberia Express are helping to break a strike, and meanwhile accepting poorer working conditions to live in madrid.
Dont think it is ethical to go to Iberia express now.
One of the guys told me well if I dont go someone else will.
What do you tell the guy who has no job? And goes to express.
Good luck to the Iberia pilots, and if the Iberia pilots come to a deal, which scares the express low paid mercernaries.
Normally mercenaries are well paid,
So these Iberia express guys are now getting abused on the radio and you can bet they will have enemies for life in Madrid.
Do they deserve the abuse ?
Do the express pilots who come from Vueling have morals just to live in Madrid ? Are they contributing to the degradation of all our conditions with ryanair in madrid ?
Why do the politicians in Spain welcome Ryanair with open arms as spanish companies close ?
you can bet those Iberia express pilots will not get much help from Iberia
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I don't think that many people in Spain have come to terms with the new economic realities. The problem is, when you start paying people vast amounts of money, they start to believe that they are worth it. Witness the Spanish air traffic controllers and now the IB pilots.
If IB was generating vast profits, then there is an argument to be had that the salaries are justified. If it isn't, well.......
If IB was generating vast profits, then there is an argument to be had that the salaries are justified. If it isn't, well.......
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5 fat IAG executives versus Iberia Pilots
If IAG-IBERIA wins this battle, watch their executive bonuses.
Iberia is losing 3 million Euros a day in their strike, they would rather lose this money than make peace with its pilots.
Its time for both sides to agree to proper arbitration, no ?
Isnt all about distributing wealth from the many ( pilots ) into the few ( executives )
Is there a master plan at IAG and British Airways by the puppetmasters at work here ?
Iberia is losing 3 million Euros a day in their strike, they would rather lose this money than make peace with its pilots.
Its time for both sides to agree to proper arbitration, no ?
Isnt all about distributing wealth from the many ( pilots ) into the few ( executives )
Is there a master plan at IAG and British Airways by the puppetmasters at work here ?
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JHR I guess time will tell. As a resident of Spain , I have seen IB pilots stand up for their rights/collective agreement for years and in the process ruin millions of holidays every year with strike action. I can't help but feel that IB management have decided that enough is enough and sort the problem out once and for all. I'm not sure that SEPLA have quite come to terms with the new economic and industrial landscape post Laval.
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I don't believe IB is losing 3 millions a strike day. They're cancelling around 35% of scheduled flights. Those flights can most of them be money losing flights.
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