So you want to be an airline pilot for China?
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Well you must check it out.
AFricans aren't very good at cities but the bush, parks, coast, great lakes can be awesome if you like that kind of thing. You better be quick....the rate the Chinese are moving in there it will be another Chinese province in 20 years.
Well you must check it out.
AFricans aren't very good at cities but the bush, parks, coast, great lakes can be awesome if you like that kind of thing. You better be quick....the rate the Chinese are moving in there it will be another Chinese province in 20 years.
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C46r:
C46r, why don't you come back home?
Expat flying in China $575K in 3 years tax free.(perspective)
Interesting perspective from an American pilot flying for a Chinese
airline in China.
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I'm the 1%! ....and I pay less taxes than Mitt!
Yes its true. You can make oodles of money here in China. I as a
E190 driver make more than any widebody captain in the US, and
I have over 18 weeks paid holiday a year plus normal days off.
But there is a natural economy to this and its not the gleaming diamond
you think. Your vision is of your life now, today, as it is, with all its
comforts, cleanliness, proximity to friends and family, in a system you are
familiar with, where everyone speaks your language and understands your
culture.
This is my second contract overseas and I can tell you why we make this
kind of money.
We have less job security and no seniority list. If there is any hiccup
we are the first to go. We are the outsiders and the locals always remain.
We have no pension. This is not a permanent gig. There are some longer
term contracts but the company has no interest in keeping us on payroll any
longer than necessary.
Kids pee on the street 10 meters from a bathroom, people spit everywhere,
I see have seen people laying a nice brown heap on the sidewalk. I live in
a country that not only has cornered the market on plastic toy exports but
all the super infectious germs resistant to antibiotics. A place that
routinely is polluted so heavily that you can stare directly at the sun
without squinting... ..if you can see the sun. A place where purple industrial
waste lays meters from farmland. An economy so self driven that it
mirrors Dante's Inferno's passage where no one can escape because everyone pulls each other down to get ahead.
A place where there are three kinds of alcohol. Fake, not so fake, and
almost real. An underground that reuses cooking oil into infinity and buys
bottles from authentic international places to re-bottle them with fake
hooch. Unless you pay 3x what it costs normally you are not really drinking
alcohol and even then that is not a guarantee.
The chemicals in everything you eat is life shortening. A country where
just the simple task of getting to Facebook requires special "tunnel"
program to circumvent the great firewall of China. Initially for 2-3 months you will heave all the colours of the rainbow until you are used to the
bacterias of the East. Cleanliness is next to Godliness and most Chinese don't
believe in God so they don't believe in Ajax either. One rag to rule them
all cleans your bed, your floor, your toilet, your dishes.....in that
order. The best overnight hotels are in comparison with the worst ones you
have ever stayed back home.
There is bare minimum communication. Almost no one outside of Shanghai
and Beijing speaks even broken English. Hong Kong does not count because
lets face it....that's not Mainland China. Even fewer people read
English. None of my ground crew speak English. Sure you can get the sucky
sucky but there is a target on your back for you passport and your money. The
first questions asked are...Are you single, do you have children, do you
want children, where do you work, how big is your house, how much money do you make. Really, after what is your name these questions are the immediate follow up.
I have a 3 man cockpit in an E190 to keep me going through to 16 hours or
more every day. I get holidays but even when I am off half the month I
am burning 80 or more flying hours in two weeks. There is no 30/7 rule
here only 100/month. Routinely the pilots time out at 1000 hours per year.
The delays in summer mimic EWR. The ATC outside of Shanghai and Beijing
barely speaks English and on runway 27 it is normal to be flying a 090
heading, off any charted approach on vectors, and have the controller
say..."cleared for the approach". You are ATC. My ICAO English examiner could not understand what I was saying.
Your F/Os while smart are 200 hour wonder pilots. And when I mean 200
hours I mean they just checked out and this is their first jet airplane. The
last thing they flew was a C421 for 40 hours. In my initial sim the F/O
who didn't speak English did not give a call about my speed during takeoff
roll. The sim tech put in a windshear and airspeed had stagnated and I had
already transitioned to outside reference before V1 above 100 knts. The
F/O said nothing. As we overrun I shoot a glare to the F/O and he says
something in Chinese. The translator says "He says he is sorry he never saw
this situation before"
Your FOM makes no sense-----Its all Chinglish... ..
"The regulation of using checklist is the valuable experience of what had
happened before with high cost and scientific treasures summarized from
the bloody accident. The operation of checklist is used to standard
behavior, strict operation, detailed procedure, and it is the valuable
treasures of preventing mistakes and important tool of assuring flight
safety."
The checkrides are old school. Multiple failures. I've had my RAT out
single engine with a multiple hydraulic, screen failure, anti ice failure,
decompression, Electrical malfunction all at once with an F/O who does not
speak English. I've flown V1 cuts IN THE AIRPLANE to 500 ft circling
patterns with a hood. Engine failures at 400ft and securing the engine by
1000ft is challenging and can be done but not when you need a translator to get it done. You make your own procedure and get it done by 1000FT. People
add weight to takeoff performance when clearly the English says SUB or
Subtract. But they don't know English.
Line Check Airmen can be old school military to completely not knowing a
damn thing about the SOP. There are good pilots but few who can fly or
know SOP.
The medicals are extremely difficult overseas. Everything from balance
tests, blood tests of more than 45 criteria from white blood cell counts to
blood sugar levels. Vision, periphery, depth, puffer, grip tests, EKG,
EEG, brain scans, ultrasounds, reflex, ears nose throat tests, and many other
probes. Half the people don't make it past the medical.
Many people leave after the first few days unable to cope with the culture
shock. This is not Hong Kong or Shanghai. This is Mainland China where
people smoke in hospitals and there is no such thing as pedestrian right of
way....even on the sidewalks.
Most importantly you should never bring your kids here unless you
appreciate them eating arsenic. The pollution is terrible. It is beyond
terrible. Its hazardous. The US Embassy advises no to go out side for any
period of time many days of the year in my city. Where the distributors know
that imported food is in demand they counterfeit everything and even that
imported Sunkist label is a knock off. Marriages crumble with the
distance, children are seen twice a year and those who do commute back and forth age so quickly you encourage them to double up on life insurance.
Expats drink a lot to deaden the loneliness and pain. I've seen people
who didn't drink put away a 5th a week. There is no Meetup group or speed dating. This is make your own a la carte.
This is just the tip of the iceberg and I have mentioned almost nothing
about the real cultural differences.
It could work out for you. You could marry that stripper and everything
will work out. But the odds are you are looking at a disaster on your
hands and that my friends is why I make more than the most senior Delta captain who comes home to his family every week.
China does not have the experienced captains that take 10 years of training
to mold out here. And in all Asian countries its about 10 years. With
foriegners reluctant to move here because of all these and other
difficulties I am a drop of water in a desert.
Maybe that's why everyone called me a drip when I was younger
Interesting perspective from an American pilot flying for a Chinese
airline in China.
------------ --------- --------
I'm the 1%! ....and I pay less taxes than Mitt!
Yes its true. You can make oodles of money here in China. I as a
E190 driver make more than any widebody captain in the US, and
I have over 18 weeks paid holiday a year plus normal days off.
But there is a natural economy to this and its not the gleaming diamond
you think. Your vision is of your life now, today, as it is, with all its
comforts, cleanliness, proximity to friends and family, in a system you are
familiar with, where everyone speaks your language and understands your
culture.
This is my second contract overseas and I can tell you why we make this
kind of money.
We have less job security and no seniority list. If there is any hiccup
we are the first to go. We are the outsiders and the locals always remain.
We have no pension. This is not a permanent gig. There are some longer
term contracts but the company has no interest in keeping us on payroll any
longer than necessary.
Kids pee on the street 10 meters from a bathroom, people spit everywhere,
I see have seen people laying a nice brown heap on the sidewalk. I live in
a country that not only has cornered the market on plastic toy exports but
all the super infectious germs resistant to antibiotics. A place that
routinely is polluted so heavily that you can stare directly at the sun
without squinting... ..if you can see the sun. A place where purple industrial
waste lays meters from farmland. An economy so self driven that it
mirrors Dante's Inferno's passage where no one can escape because everyone pulls each other down to get ahead.
A place where there are three kinds of alcohol. Fake, not so fake, and
almost real. An underground that reuses cooking oil into infinity and buys
bottles from authentic international places to re-bottle them with fake
hooch. Unless you pay 3x what it costs normally you are not really drinking
alcohol and even then that is not a guarantee.
The chemicals in everything you eat is life shortening. A country where
just the simple task of getting to Facebook requires special "tunnel"
program to circumvent the great firewall of China. Initially for 2-3 months you will heave all the colours of the rainbow until you are used to the
bacterias of the East. Cleanliness is next to Godliness and most Chinese don't
believe in God so they don't believe in Ajax either. One rag to rule them
all cleans your bed, your floor, your toilet, your dishes.....in that
order. The best overnight hotels are in comparison with the worst ones you
have ever stayed back home.
There is bare minimum communication. Almost no one outside of Shanghai
and Beijing speaks even broken English. Hong Kong does not count because
lets face it....that's not Mainland China. Even fewer people read
English. None of my ground crew speak English. Sure you can get the sucky
sucky but there is a target on your back for you passport and your money. The
first questions asked are...Are you single, do you have children, do you
want children, where do you work, how big is your house, how much money do you make. Really, after what is your name these questions are the immediate follow up.
I have a 3 man cockpit in an E190 to keep me going through to 16 hours or
more every day. I get holidays but even when I am off half the month I
am burning 80 or more flying hours in two weeks. There is no 30/7 rule
here only 100/month. Routinely the pilots time out at 1000 hours per year.
The delays in summer mimic EWR. The ATC outside of Shanghai and Beijing
barely speaks English and on runway 27 it is normal to be flying a 090
heading, off any charted approach on vectors, and have the controller
say..."cleared for the approach". You are ATC. My ICAO English examiner could not understand what I was saying.
Your F/Os while smart are 200 hour wonder pilots. And when I mean 200
hours I mean they just checked out and this is their first jet airplane. The
last thing they flew was a C421 for 40 hours. In my initial sim the F/O
who didn't speak English did not give a call about my speed during takeoff
roll. The sim tech put in a windshear and airspeed had stagnated and I had
already transitioned to outside reference before V1 above 100 knts. The
F/O said nothing. As we overrun I shoot a glare to the F/O and he says
something in Chinese. The translator says "He says he is sorry he never saw
this situation before"
Your FOM makes no sense-----Its all Chinglish... ..
"The regulation of using checklist is the valuable experience of what had
happened before with high cost and scientific treasures summarized from
the bloody accident. The operation of checklist is used to standard
behavior, strict operation, detailed procedure, and it is the valuable
treasures of preventing mistakes and important tool of assuring flight
safety."
The checkrides are old school. Multiple failures. I've had my RAT out
single engine with a multiple hydraulic, screen failure, anti ice failure,
decompression, Electrical malfunction all at once with an F/O who does not
speak English. I've flown V1 cuts IN THE AIRPLANE to 500 ft circling
patterns with a hood. Engine failures at 400ft and securing the engine by
1000ft is challenging and can be done but not when you need a translator to get it done. You make your own procedure and get it done by 1000FT. People
add weight to takeoff performance when clearly the English says SUB or
Subtract. But they don't know English.
Line Check Airmen can be old school military to completely not knowing a
damn thing about the SOP. There are good pilots but few who can fly or
know SOP.
The medicals are extremely difficult overseas. Everything from balance
tests, blood tests of more than 45 criteria from white blood cell counts to
blood sugar levels. Vision, periphery, depth, puffer, grip tests, EKG,
EEG, brain scans, ultrasounds, reflex, ears nose throat tests, and many other
probes. Half the people don't make it past the medical.
Many people leave after the first few days unable to cope with the culture
shock. This is not Hong Kong or Shanghai. This is Mainland China where
people smoke in hospitals and there is no such thing as pedestrian right of
way....even on the sidewalks.
Most importantly you should never bring your kids here unless you
appreciate them eating arsenic. The pollution is terrible. It is beyond
terrible. Its hazardous. The US Embassy advises no to go out side for any
period of time many days of the year in my city. Where the distributors know
that imported food is in demand they counterfeit everything and even that
imported Sunkist label is a knock off. Marriages crumble with the
distance, children are seen twice a year and those who do commute back and forth age so quickly you encourage them to double up on life insurance.
Expats drink a lot to deaden the loneliness and pain. I've seen people
who didn't drink put away a 5th a week. There is no Meetup group or speed dating. This is make your own a la carte.
This is just the tip of the iceberg and I have mentioned almost nothing
about the real cultural differences.
It could work out for you. You could marry that stripper and everything
will work out. But the odds are you are looking at a disaster on your
hands and that my friends is why I make more than the most senior Delta captain who comes home to his family every week.
China does not have the experienced captains that take 10 years of training
to mold out here. And in all Asian countries its about 10 years. With
foriegners reluctant to move here because of all these and other
difficulties I am a drop of water in a desert.
Maybe that's why everyone called me a drip when I was younger
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first questions asked are...Are you single, do you have children, do you
want children, where do you work, how big is your house, how much money do you make. Really, after what is your name these questions are the immediate follow up.
want children, where do you work, how big is your house, how much money do you make. Really, after what is your name these questions are the immediate follow up.
As for peeing in the street and laying a gordon, ever seen a Friday or saturday night in a UK town?
Think about the money, and get that 200 hour wonder whip to polish you shoes
