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Agree, most airlines don't even bother to update you. Effort to be commended and the explanation should be well received.
Dear Thomas Cook, well done for posting an explanation.
Dear Thomas Cook, well done for posting an explanation.
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Exactly.
It's sometimes appropriate to communicate with applicants and also interested parties and it answers many of the "rumours" with fact. It's not 100% official but it's a lot better than you would normally get. It also explains the reasons behind the delay.
Dave - if I refer you to your initial post which was not a rumour either.
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It's sometimes appropriate to communicate with applicants and also interested parties and it answers many of the "rumours" with fact. It's not 100% official but it's a lot better than you would normally get. It also explains the reasons behind the delay.
Dave - if I refer you to your initial post which was not a rumour either.
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ThomasCook,
You are right my initial post was not a rumour, but neither was it a semi-official statement from someone who is representing TCX in an official capacity. I applaud you for your will to communicate with applicants, that is to be commended. I also fully understand the applicants appreciation of any information that comes their way, by whatever means.
I just question the merit of communicating via an internet forum rather than other more traditional channels. I've never heard of an airline doing such a thing, and on the back of last weeks rant from "doom and gloom" who may or may not have been yourself, it just looks to me like a fairly unprofessional way of conducting a company's business.
I would think that an established uk carrier would be a bit above having to answer "rumours" on a public forum. I dont see my employer or any other carriers doing it, but maybe I'm just old fashioned!
You are right my initial post was not a rumour, but neither was it a semi-official statement from someone who is representing TCX in an official capacity. I applaud you for your will to communicate with applicants, that is to be commended. I also fully understand the applicants appreciation of any information that comes their way, by whatever means.
I just question the merit of communicating via an internet forum rather than other more traditional channels. I've never heard of an airline doing such a thing, and on the back of last weeks rant from "doom and gloom" who may or may not have been yourself, it just looks to me like a fairly unprofessional way of conducting a company's business.
I would think that an established uk carrier would be a bit above having to answer "rumours" on a public forum. I dont see my employer or any other carriers doing it, but maybe I'm just old fashioned!
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Thomas Cook might well have inside knowledge, but I would be very surprised if anyone who officially represented TCX would have either the time or the inclination to post here. I could have chosen Your Holiness for a username, but it wouldn't mean I was the Pope, would it?
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true, but the way the answer is phrased makes it 'feel' like it was composed in a Hangar somewhere in Manchester! Actually, where's the harm, 99.9% of anyone trying to get into flying will be looking at this site, cheap and effective communication. At least we don't have to renew our b###dy password every month on here!
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deepknight,
I too would have been very surprised, but reading ThomasCook's original post and subsequent reply, it sounds like more than a bit of "inside knowledge" to me.
At least the fact that you'd be surprised that they'd communicate in this way backs up my thoughts.......if indeed it is an official source.
I too would have been very surprised, but reading ThomasCook's original post and subsequent reply, it sounds like more than a bit of "inside knowledge" to me.
At least the fact that you'd be surprised that they'd communicate in this way backs up my thoughts.......if indeed it is an official source.
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Well, if thats the 'official' line of communication from Thomas Cook then what a cheap bunch.
How many were interviewed & finally recruited then? How about giving some figures and perhaps gain some credibility?
How many were interviewed & finally recruited then? How about giving some figures and perhaps gain some credibility?
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If Thomas Cook's post really is from the horse's mouth it just goes to show that the inappropriate of use of modern media goes all the way to the top.
Release official information on a public rumour forum using an unquantifiable name? What a professional image that shows!
If they wanted to debrief everyone in these days of that there new-fangled interweb, just how much effort would an email discreetly addressed to all applicants really take?
Or was this just one of the HR wallahs forgetting how to behave in a professional manner?
Release official information on a public rumour forum using an unquantifiable name? What a professional image that shows!
If they wanted to debrief everyone in these days of that there new-fangled interweb, just how much effort would an email discreetly addressed to all applicants really take?
Or was this just one of the HR wallahs forgetting how to behave in a professional manner?
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As you can see I haven't posted before but I felt I had to as I just don't see the problem some of you guys have.
The airline knew that there were many unanswered questions on THIS rumour network so they decided to respond and try to answer a few of those. This is a personal touch which to me says lots about the company. TCX does not have to personally respond to each candidate, what ever the experience level, to make it clear how many were interviewed and finally recruited. I believe a major UK airline even checking rumour networks deserves credit but posting a comment to those who have expressed concern on here is beyond what most employers would do. Expecting 'TCook' to give figures to "gain some credibility" will only fuel the debate and before you knew it the thread would have moved to comments about experience levels, type ratings and who should get jobs over other and ultimately bitter comments about how Thomas Cook have taken the wrong guys, which would have all been based on speculation.
What has been said seem sensible and fits in well with what we would expect and the comments some have made, so I would say it was credible.
The airline knew that there were many unanswered questions on THIS rumour network so they decided to respond and try to answer a few of those. This is a personal touch which to me says lots about the company. TCX does not have to personally respond to each candidate, what ever the experience level, to make it clear how many were interviewed and finally recruited. I believe a major UK airline even checking rumour networks deserves credit but posting a comment to those who have expressed concern on here is beyond what most employers would do. Expecting 'TCook' to give figures to "gain some credibility" will only fuel the debate and before you knew it the thread would have moved to comments about experience levels, type ratings and who should get jobs over other and ultimately bitter comments about how Thomas Cook have taken the wrong guys, which would have all been based on speculation.
What has been said seem sensible and fits in well with what we would expect and the comments some have made, so I would say it was credible.
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Seems like the malaise is widespread:
Maybe they will all be looking for work soon and then get that warm fuzzy feeling when they're treated in a similar fashion.
Thomas Cook's warning that it is in danger of collapse if shareholders fail to back two planned disposals has wiped 10% from its share price.
Its warning came as one analyst said the recent poor performance of its shares, which have slumped 90% over the past 18 months, showed the City believes there is a one in three chance of it failing.
The tour operator posted documents to shareholders over the weekend in which it explained the financial importance of the planned sale and leaseback of part of its aircraft fleet and the disposal of five Spanish hotels.
Failure to support the fundraising move would jeopardise the company's recent £1.4 billion deal with lenders, including Royal Bank of Scotland and Barclays, to extend the maturity of its bank loans to 2015.
The deal has been hailed as a key step in strengthening confidence in the holidays firm, which came close to collapse last year and was forced to go back to its lenders to ask for an additional £100 million lifeline
Thomas Cook said it was confident that shareholders will deliver the required majority when they vote on the disposals at a general meeting in London on May 29.
Douglas McNeill, an analyst at Charles Stanley Securities, said: "To our way of thinking, the share price indicates that the probability of insolvency is over 35% - and we find that too pessimistic. Since shareholder approval seems unlikely to be withheld, this would seem to be something of an academic issue."
The 10% fall in its share price left the company's value at £166.7 million. In this weekend's circular it confirmed losses of £262.7 million for the winter and said the particularly poor performance of its North American and French businesses contributed to the bigger half-year loss.
Bookings for the second half have been more encouraging but Thomas Cook said much will now depend on how it performs in the important "lates" market.
Stephen Anness, a fund manager at Invesco, which holds a 10.15% stake in Thomas Cook, said he will support the resolutions at the group's annual meeting.
A spokesman for Thomas Cook said the group's other top shareholders, Marathon and Standard Life, which hold 8.56% and 4.94% stakes respectively, have also expressed their support of the resolutions.
Its warning came as one analyst said the recent poor performance of its shares, which have slumped 90% over the past 18 months, showed the City believes there is a one in three chance of it failing.
The tour operator posted documents to shareholders over the weekend in which it explained the financial importance of the planned sale and leaseback of part of its aircraft fleet and the disposal of five Spanish hotels.
Failure to support the fundraising move would jeopardise the company's recent £1.4 billion deal with lenders, including Royal Bank of Scotland and Barclays, to extend the maturity of its bank loans to 2015.
The deal has been hailed as a key step in strengthening confidence in the holidays firm, which came close to collapse last year and was forced to go back to its lenders to ask for an additional £100 million lifeline
Thomas Cook said it was confident that shareholders will deliver the required majority when they vote on the disposals at a general meeting in London on May 29.
Douglas McNeill, an analyst at Charles Stanley Securities, said: "To our way of thinking, the share price indicates that the probability of insolvency is over 35% - and we find that too pessimistic. Since shareholder approval seems unlikely to be withheld, this would seem to be something of an academic issue."
The 10% fall in its share price left the company's value at £166.7 million. In this weekend's circular it confirmed losses of £262.7 million for the winter and said the particularly poor performance of its North American and French businesses contributed to the bigger half-year loss.
Bookings for the second half have been more encouraging but Thomas Cook said much will now depend on how it performs in the important "lates" market.
Stephen Anness, a fund manager at Invesco, which holds a 10.15% stake in Thomas Cook, said he will support the resolutions at the group's annual meeting.
A spokesman for Thomas Cook said the group's other top shareholders, Marathon and Standard Life, which hold 8.56% and 4.94% stakes respectively, have also expressed their support of the resolutions.
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I disagree that any comments have been "sour". I just personally feel that there are more professional ways of communicating.
I'm not sure if you read the post by "doom and gloom" a week or two back that had since been deleted. Again it would appear to be written by someone from Tcx hq, and possibly tainted my view of the reply in this thread, as that one was very unprofessional (and bordering on embarrassing) in its tone.
I'm not sure if you read the post by "doom and gloom" a week or two back that had since been deleted. Again it would appear to be written by someone from Tcx hq, and possibly tainted my view of the reply in this thread, as that one was very unprofessional (and bordering on embarrassing) in its tone.
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I know what you mean Dave, and communications is something of a sore point in our world. But it just does my head in when someone gets dissed for trying to be helpful by a couple of no-notes (not you) who sound like they think the world owes them a living. Assuming TCX survives the next year or so, anyone who gets in with a perm. contract should be bloo#y grateful for joining one of the few remaining carriers that pays decent money and has decent ts&ps. Not perfect, but a hell of site better than 90% of whats on offer out in the world today. Off to bed now so I can go to DLM again tomorrow!
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Sometimes I just want to scream! Thomas Cook managers don't even bother to reply to questions on their own internal forums (forgive my bad Latin). In what fantasy world does anyone think they would conduct clandestine communications here? It's someone with a bit of inside knowledge, nothing more. And as for the lovely 'administration' story, it's spread from a really nasty little piece in the Sunday Times, picked up by the rest of our balanced, fair press. As part of the legal requirements for informing shareholders about an asset sale that was large enough to need a vote, the circular outlined the worst case senario if shareholders didn't support the disposal programme. Does anyone in their right mind think the shareholders won't agree...apart from the Daily Mail, that is?
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Quite correct, Deep Knight. The Sunday Times has had it in for Airtours ever since it refused to give their travel people free holidays! Airtours is now part of TCX and this vendetta has moved with the merger. Didn't Thomson also once belong to the same owners as the ST too?
Paranoid? No - I just don't believe the wilder rants from any of the financials - after all, good news rarely sells newspapers. Incidentally, I would call financial backing to 2015 good news these days, whatever the cost.
For those wanting a free TR, at least two pilots have been taken on at short notice and are now on a B757 ground school course, paid for by TCX. Hope for all perhaps. (but not this year).
Paranoid? No - I just don't believe the wilder rants from any of the financials - after all, good news rarely sells newspapers. Incidentally, I would call financial backing to 2015 good news these days, whatever the cost.
For those wanting a free TR, at least two pilots have been taken on at short notice and are now on a B757 ground school course, paid for by TCX. Hope for all perhaps. (but not this year).
