Any recent Ryanair BRK command upgrades?
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Any recent Ryanair BRK command upgrades?
This post is also on REPA
I am looking to nail down some hard facts on the current command offers
Rumour has it that the guys on the old BRK contracts are been told that they will have to sign a new McNamara ltd company contract and jump through all the hoops of it to be on a command course
can anyone who has interviewed recently or upgraded confirm if there is any truth to this, or if they have been left on there old contract.
I am looking to nail down some hard facts on the current command offers
Rumour has it that the guys on the old BRK contracts are been told that they will have to sign a new McNamara ltd company contract and jump through all the hoops of it to be on a command course
can anyone who has interviewed recently or upgraded confirm if there is any truth to this, or if they have been left on there old contract.
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http://www.revenue.ie/.../practition...-bill-2011-as-...
Tax treatment of
flight crew in
international traffic.
16.—The Principal Act is amended in Chapter 5 of Part 5 by
inserting the following section after section 127A: 30
‘‘127B.—(1) Income arising to any individual, whether resident
in the State or not, from any employment exercised aboard
an aircraft—
(a) that is operated in international traffic, and
(b) where the aircraft is so operated by an enterprise that 35
has its place of effective management in the State,
shall be chargeable to tax under Schedule E.
(2) For the purposes of an arrangement to which this section
and section 826 applies, ‘international traffic’, in relation to an
aircraft, does not include an aircraft operated solely between 40
places in another state.’’.
If you work for an irish company, as a crew member operating on international routes, you will then have to be taxed in Ireland!!!!
Tax treatment of
flight crew in
international traffic.
16.—The Principal Act is amended in Chapter 5 of Part 5 by
inserting the following section after section 127A: 30
‘‘127B.—(1) Income arising to any individual, whether resident
in the State or not, from any employment exercised aboard
an aircraft—
(a) that is operated in international traffic, and
(b) where the aircraft is so operated by an enterprise that 35
has its place of effective management in the State,
shall be chargeable to tax under Schedule E.
(2) For the purposes of an arrangement to which this section
and section 826 applies, ‘international traffic’, in relation to an
aircraft, does not include an aircraft operated solely between 40
places in another state.’’.
If you work for an irish company, as a crew member operating on international routes, you will then have to be taxed in Ireland!!!!
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Well, not necessarily true. While I know that some are avoiding paying tax, the majority not living in Ireland have their own company in the country of their residence. Of course it makes more sense paying taxes and social contribution in the country where you are living, rather than where the aircraft happen to be registered... This is the main reason for me trying to stay away from what´s called the "three man scam" (that name is also a good reason to stay away from it)
I do agree though that we should get the same pay for the same job, but that is a different discussion.
I do agree though that we should get the same pay for the same job, but that is a different discussion.
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When will certain pilots ie non union pilots understand the Ryanair game plan? It didn't take me long to understand it.
This farce could all be over relatively soon in Ryanair just look at what easy jet are like at the moment and other lo-cost airlines, either because their staff and pilots said enough is enough and we deserve respect as highly skilled employees or that the management changed the way they treat them.
Its your choice. If you want better conditions simple as join IALPA JOIN REPA.
The activists will take care of the rest. If we all do this, this time next year you may be happy working for Ryanair knowing your not being shafted every minute.
This farce could all be over relatively soon in Ryanair just look at what easy jet are like at the moment and other lo-cost airlines, either because their staff and pilots said enough is enough and we deserve respect as highly skilled employees or that the management changed the way they treat them.
Its your choice. If you want better conditions simple as join IALPA JOIN REPA.
The activists will take care of the rest. If we all do this, this time next year you may be happy working for Ryanair knowing your not being shafted every minute.
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As I understand, with the most recent BRK pilots - they have to set up an Irish Ltd Company with 2-4 other FR pilots.
If a pilot is based in mainland Europe working on the new BRK contract, do they have to pay tax in that particular country - or do they legally avoid this and just pay the Irish Company Tax?
If a pilot is based in mainland Europe working on the new BRK contract, do they have to pay tax in that particular country - or do they legally avoid this and just pay the Irish Company Tax?
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Check 16 (2):
And that is the clincher.
This is what a lot of us have been saying. So, for example, if we operate HNN to TFS, we are not due to pay taxes to fund the Irish Miracle.
I am happy to pay tax in my own country, subject to normal practice, such as tax code allowance etc.
I am not happy to pay national insurance as employer of myself, and will not put up with it much longer, whatever the "contract" says. I am half tempted to bugger off to the sandpit, but anyone who knows me will realise I am bloody minded enough to stay here and dig my
heels in and make it right. Because it is FUBAR!
There...
does not include an aircraft operated solely between
places in another state
places in another state
This is what a lot of us have been saying. So, for example, if we operate HNN to TFS, we are not due to pay taxes to fund the Irish Miracle.
I am happy to pay tax in my own country, subject to normal practice, such as tax code allowance etc.
I am not happy to pay national insurance as employer of myself, and will not put up with it much longer, whatever the "contract" says. I am half tempted to bugger off to the sandpit, but anyone who knows me will realise I am bloody minded enough to stay here and dig my
heels in and make it right. Because it is FUBAR!There...
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Jesus B737Driver!!!!
Where the hell did that come from
I personally pay my tax'x in the UK on the old contract and have a house there and am British which is why I ask,, I have no intention of paying in paddy land where I have spent the grand total of 4 hours to collect my licence once,, and I certainly am not going to accept a new worse contract just to make the NEW people happy with the crap they signed!! WTF!!
I have used my own accountant for over 10 years now and intend to stay with him as he charges me around £400 a year,,,,,, the irish Mafia accountants will never see a € from me.
and FYI I work for Brookfield an English company,,, which is noted to me every time I send a query,,,,, yea its all a bit of a dodge on Ryanair's part but I signed that and was happy to,,, not going to sign the new deal,,, sandpit first out of pure principal.
Where the hell did that come from
I personally pay my tax'x in the UK on the old contract and have a house there and am British which is why I ask,, I have no intention of paying in paddy land where I have spent the grand total of 4 hours to collect my licence once,, and I certainly am not going to accept a new worse contract just to make the NEW people happy with the crap they signed!! WTF!!
I have used my own accountant for over 10 years now and intend to stay with him as he charges me around £400 a year,,,,,, the irish Mafia accountants will never see a € from me.
and FYI I work for Brookfield an English company,,, which is noted to me every time I send a query,,,,, yea its all a bit of a dodge on Ryanair's part but I signed that and was happy to,,, not going to sign the new deal,,, sandpit first out of pure principal.
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Root: Domestic flights (there aren't really any) and flights to and from Ireland, of which there are a lot, and around which the tax law seems to be based. The remaining 90% or so should be exempt, and I want my money back! Anybody else?
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B737Driver
your wrong in thinking that I am just out for ME in all this, I would happy take another deal along with everyone else that is legal,,,, the trouble is my current contract while a little grey and illigal is decent, the new one on offer is worse money and from what I can tell even less legal!!!! limited companys! lol what a croc of shi*,,,,,, we are Ryanair pilots not companys,,,, mine is nearer the truth so I WONT be signing the new deal,,, I am currently filling in applictions for everywhere I can and I will be hitting submit very very soon on them all, and when asked why I am leaving I will be telling them its becuase of the dodgy illigal contracts that I dare not risk signing.
your wrong in thinking that I am just out for ME in all this, I would happy take another deal along with everyone else that is legal,,,, the trouble is my current contract while a little grey and illigal is decent, the new one on offer is worse money and from what I can tell even less legal!!!! limited companys! lol what a croc of shi*,,,,,, we are Ryanair pilots not companys,,,, mine is nearer the truth so I WONT be signing the new deal,,, I am currently filling in applictions for everywhere I can and I will be hitting submit very very soon on them all, and when asked why I am leaving I will be telling them its becuase of the dodgy illigal contracts that I dare not risk signing.
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zerotohero, do you really think Ryanair will be upset if you refuse to sign the new !!!!? No they won't Sir!!!!
They will kindly show you the exit door without wishing you good luck, and as soon as you leave the boat 2 new cadets will step in with a ******* good smile
They will kindly show you the exit door without wishing you good luck, and as soon as you leave the boat 2 new cadets will step in with a ******* good smile
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If they change it they can show me the door too but I'm very sure I will find it myself...All old BRK guys are mostly Captains and SFO's approaching command. A cadet cannot replace this type of candidate. It will take 3 years atleast for the cadet to become the replacement.
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you are right they probably wont even blink,,,, and they can keep on not blinking until they have no SFO's left, not enough captains and 3000TT in the flight deck of the planes they can manage to crew while the rest are parked over the summer with "FLIGHT CANCELED" on the boards at STN and other airports.
they don't have the crew to be acting like this anymore but they will continue to do so out of stubbornness, I for one will be off elsewhere.
you are right they probably wont even blink,,,, and they can keep on not blinking until they have no SFO's left, not enough captains and 3000TT in the flight deck of the planes they can manage to crew while the rest are parked over the summer with "FLIGHT CANCELED" on the boards at STN and other airports.
they don't have the crew to be acting like this anymore but they will continue to do so out of stubbornness, I for one will be off elsewhere.
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B738driver your post is very interesting. However, as far as I know, the new law set up by the irish finance earlier this year will now force everybody to pay the irish income taxes, regardless of the type of contract. No matter if you are on an old or new brokfield contract, no matter where you live (except people leaving in the UK) you will have to be taxed in Ireland because you work for an irish company doing international routes (international means outside Ireland). Not only Ryanair crews are concerned, cityjet and air contractors are also concerned. Correct me if I am wrong.
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no matter where you live (except people leaving in the UK) you will have to be taxed in Ireland because you work for an irish company doing international routes
Can you expand on that statement here or by PM please?
