India to ease out foreign pilots!
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India to ease out foreign pilots!
Bad news! It seems that India plans to ease foreign pilots out of the country’s aviation sector within two years.
India To Ease Out Foreign Pilots
India To Ease Out Foreign Pilots
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Foreign pilots are expensive, same goes for other Asian nations or ME nations. If they had their own, they would by far prefer to hire locals.
It is only a matter of time before India catches up and has their own pilots, or other Asian nations. China is putting record numbers of people through flight schools within China, as well as in flight schools in the U.S. They eventually will catch up as well. Only thing they will lack is some experienced captains as the article states, but with time that problem will begin to be solved as well. Then where are going to be the jobs that pay decent? Then where are the hundreds of expats out there going to go? Once this starts happening on a bigger scale, which is in fact still years away, but in the future no less. The job market for pilots in Europe and the U.S, Aus, or any other developed nation, will be completely tragic. People will literally be working for a piece of bread, with requirements for A32O FO being 1,000PIC widebody time.
It is only a matter of time before India catches up and has their own pilots, or other Asian nations. China is putting record numbers of people through flight schools within China, as well as in flight schools in the U.S. They eventually will catch up as well. Only thing they will lack is some experienced captains as the article states, but with time that problem will begin to be solved as well. Then where are going to be the jobs that pay decent? Then where are the hundreds of expats out there going to go? Once this starts happening on a bigger scale, which is in fact still years away, but in the future no less. The job market for pilots in Europe and the U.S, Aus, or any other developed nation, will be completely tragic. People will literally be working for a piece of bread, with requirements for A32O FO being 1,000PIC widebody time.
Perhaps the DCGA are upset about dwindling income from the foreign pilots who do not need & are not willing to pay 'tributes' in small brown envelopes to grease the squeaky wheels of bureaucracy.
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Chaps, relax... The expats arent leaving anytime soon. We need you guys 
The DGCA announces that its gonna phase out all expats and then a month later extends the deadline in a low key event.
This has been happening for the past few years.
The DGCA announces that its gonna phase out all expats and then a month later extends the deadline in a low key event.
This has been happening for the past few years.
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Highly paid? Not from where a lot of expat pilots sit...and what will lower the bar is the fact that many in India will happily work for much less...and the government, the DGCA and these companies are counting on that! Not great for the industry...
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Indian orign pilots should be phase out from every country!
Indian pilots are flying in many countries and nobody is looking to phase them out! Only in India the foreign pilots are the most hated even the government and the DGCA of India wants to phase them out.
Contrary Indian should be phase out from everywhere!
DGCA plans to phase out expat pilots by 2013 |
Look the happy face of the DGCA director...
Business Line : Industry & Economy / Logistics : DGCA plans to phase out expat pilots by 2013
Contrary Indian should be phase out from everywhere!
DGCA plans to phase out expat pilots by 2013 |
Look the happy face of the DGCA director...
Business Line : Industry & Economy / Logistics : DGCA plans to phase out expat pilots by 2013
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In all honesty who can work in Europe? Who can work in the US? Who can work in Canada? Who can work in Australia or New Zealand? People who have the right to work there and no one else.
Most countries ONLY allow people to work there who are from there or have the legal right to get employment without sponsorship.
I am not saying that I agree that India can cope without expats, I don't think they can, but most places in the world only hire from within.
Most countries ONLY allow people to work there who are from there or have the legal right to get employment without sponsorship.
I am not saying that I agree that India can cope without expats, I don't think they can, but most places in the world only hire from within.
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Indian pilots are flying in many countries and nobody is looking to phase them out! Only in India the foreign pilots are the most hated even the government and the DGCA of India wants to phase them out.
Contrary Indian should be phase out from everywhere!
Contrary Indian should be phase out from everywhere!
If thats your logic for phasing out Indian origin pilots then all the pilots from the US , Canada , Australia , most EU countries etc should also be phased out from the foreign countries that they are flying in ( eg : middle east )
Since none of these countries accept foreign pilots as well
P.S : I do not have anything against foreign pilots nor do i believe that they take away jobs that belong to us ( its not like we are outsourcing the flying to a foreign airline ) .
Dont worry guys this is not the first time the DGCA has set a deadline to phase out foreign pilots
The last 2 deadlines were extended and this one will most likely be extended as long as the airplanes keep coming
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Not doable. And if they did, expect a rise in incidents and accidents. Think we all know of those incompetent first officers, some of them who bribed their way to a CPL.
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Airlines in India are exapanding like anything, and its all just BS, India has to get expats to fly their A/c.....in 2013, this deadline will extend to 2015 or 2016 and keep on going like this...
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Yes… airlines within India would prefer to have their own citizens at the controls of their aircraft… and why not? Airlines within India are on a major expansion mode at this time with large orders from Boeing and Airbus. The carriers within India have more airplanes on their property than qualified captains to fly their equipment.
Naturally, any company wants a return on their investment. Their investments do not make money sitting on the ground. Let’s face it, leasing companies want their due without delay or interruption.
At the end of the day, there is really no conundrum here. There are not enough qualified pilots to fly their new shiny aircraft. So enter the expat, not only in India, but look at China, Korea, Africa, and the Mideast.
The expat is not out to replace the citizens within these countries. Expats fulfill a need for airlines, not only in India but in many countries too. Expats will be phased out, not by the DGCA, but by the airlines once they have pilots from within their own countries qualified to assume command.
Let’s face it… with the DGCA’s ridiculous assisted takeoff and landing list, outdated exams, arduous requirements for the locals to become pilots, the services of the expat is not going to diminish for the foreseeable future. It would be great if the masses within India could stand up to the DGCA and tell them to $hit in their hats and demand immediate reform.
By the way... expats were a big part of commercial aviation within the EU during the past 8 years too.
Naturally, any company wants a return on their investment. Their investments do not make money sitting on the ground. Let’s face it, leasing companies want their due without delay or interruption.
At the end of the day, there is really no conundrum here. There are not enough qualified pilots to fly their new shiny aircraft. So enter the expat, not only in India, but look at China, Korea, Africa, and the Mideast.
The expat is not out to replace the citizens within these countries. Expats fulfill a need for airlines, not only in India but in many countries too. Expats will be phased out, not by the DGCA, but by the airlines once they have pilots from within their own countries qualified to assume command.
Let’s face it… with the DGCA’s ridiculous assisted takeoff and landing list, outdated exams, arduous requirements for the locals to become pilots, the services of the expat is not going to diminish for the foreseeable future. It would be great if the masses within India could stand up to the DGCA and tell them to $hit in their hats and demand immediate reform.
By the way... expats were a big part of commercial aviation within the EU during the past 8 years too.
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I dint want to bring this up but cant help it. 1 major accident and 1 major incident in the recent years in India. Who were the captains on both the occasions? Expats. If anything the expats come to India and reduce its population.
I don't intend to hurt or offend anyone but certain people over here can be dealt with only in a harsh manner.
You want to make this an " Expat is better than a local " thread then bring it on.
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Let them step into the cockpits......Let them fly.......they are going to reduce their population......not bad!:E
I don't intend to hurt or offend anyone but certain people over here can be dealt with only in a harsh manner.
You want to make this an " Expat is better than a local " thread then bring it on.
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You need to do something PPRUNE TOWERS
Unless you accept and condone what OXOGEKAS340 has posted and want this forum to again degenerate into a slanging match with no winners, you need to intervene and get OXOGEKAS340 off pprune, unless he apologises to one and all on this forum.
A discussion is OK but comments like OXOGEKAS340 has posted have no place here.
Waiting and Watching!
A discussion is OK but comments like OXOGEKAS340 has posted have no place here.
Waiting and Watching!
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Wow, what a pointless discussion!
The dgca does not decide when to phase out expats ... The airlines do ... The dgca comes out with this crap eveyr year to fill some garbage in the local newspapers.
The expats will be around for a long long time to come.
The dgca does not decide when to phase out expats ... The airlines do ... The dgca comes out with this crap eveyr year to fill some garbage in the local newspapers.
The expats will be around for a long long time to come.
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I agree reciprocation is a great idea.
The ICAO validation process playing field could be leveled up.
Take the visa nonsense for eg., India, Australia to mention just 2, insist every nationality, (apart from there own) have a visa to enter those countries. Consequently every other country puts the same visa stipulations with those nationalities mentioned above.
The greatest enermy to young Indian pilots is the DGCA, not the expat. Until public opion changes in India the DGCA will remain destroyers and not creators.
The ICAO validation process playing field could be leveled up.
Take the visa nonsense for eg., India, Australia to mention just 2, insist every nationality, (apart from there own) have a visa to enter those countries. Consequently every other country puts the same visa stipulations with those nationalities mentioned above.
The greatest enermy to young Indian pilots is the DGCA, not the expat. Until public opion changes in India the DGCA will remain destroyers and not creators.
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Very well put weido_salt. That was the point I was trying to make in my post above.
The DGCA in its present form needs to be vaporized and rebuilt from the gound up.
The Unions and Indian Carriers, who wish to see more of their fellow counrymen in their cockpits need to take affirmative action in shaking and waking up the Indian Government to rid their country of their DGCA as it exists today.
The unions are not anti expat... they just want to level the playing field, as their latest protest pertaining to medical requirements for the expats.
As for the statement made by OXOGEKAS340... very disappointing, ingnorant, racist, and unbecoming of a member of our profession.
The DGCA in its present form needs to be vaporized and rebuilt from the gound up.
The Unions and Indian Carriers, who wish to see more of their fellow counrymen in their cockpits need to take affirmative action in shaking and waking up the Indian Government to rid their country of their DGCA as it exists today.
The unions are not anti expat... they just want to level the playing field, as their latest protest pertaining to medical requirements for the expats.
As for the statement made by OXOGEKAS340... very disappointing, ingnorant, racist, and unbecoming of a member of our profession.