Virgin Atlantic Pilot Strike Ballot
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Those salaries aren't anything to write home about after you take weekend and night flights into account. I suspect the refuellers are on a better screw than the F/O's.
Stick to your guns; as someone said many years ago "Show me your paycheque I'll show you your status".
Now how much does "old beardie" take and where does he take it.
Stick to your guns; as someone said many years ago "Show me your paycheque I'll show you your status".
Now how much does "old beardie" take and where does he take it.
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No one outside the Communist Party wants to strike. For 97% of the Virgin pilot force to vote for one indicates a serious amount of disaffection. This from pilots working for a Company with an excellent reputation with the travelling public. That reputation is in part due to the pilots.
Hopefully, the vote will concentrate the minds of both sides in the dispute and a meaningful offer will be forthcoming.
Hopefully, the vote will concentrate the minds of both sides in the dispute and a meaningful offer will be forthcoming.
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Virgin chiefs receive pay rises despite job cuts | Pay and Benefits
This may help explain some of the anger!
This may help explain some of the anger!
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Good luck to all the pilots at Virgin Atlantic making a stand against the bearded one. Worldwide static display threat will concentrate the minds of Virgin management. I wish the pilots at bmi had similar cajones!
Yes good luck to those pilots, I hope you can find time for those most likely to be affected, not your bosses but the people who ultimatley make sure you have a job. No SLF no airline.
Both me and my wife have had either below inflation rises or pay freezes over the last 3 years, we have saved like mad for a special holiday this year after 3 years of no holiday, only to realise that it could be ruined even before we get there.
As a member of the great unwashed you will struggle for sympathy whilst others have a far harder struggle for a lot less money.
Both me and my wife have had either below inflation rises or pay freezes over the last 3 years, we have saved like mad for a special holiday this year after 3 years of no holiday, only to realise that it could be ruined even before we get there.
As a member of the great unwashed you will struggle for sympathy whilst others have a far harder struggle for a lot less money.
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Virgin don't want to pay the going rate for long haul pilots. Do you think if they told BP they don't want to pay the going rate for fuel that they'd be flying any aircraft?
As for the comments about overpaid pilots then let them employ average British workers to fly their planes. Uh oh - There's a flaw in that argument too.
Pay the pilots the going rate for their skills and you won't have any disruption. If they can find £47 million to pay the fines and costs of their CEO's price fixing debacle then they can find the few million extra to fund the difference between the sub-inflation offer and the going rate the pilots expect after their salary sacrifices over the last three years.
Not too much to expect but thanks to an HR head who has promised the board that she can break the last unionized group within Virgin we now have the potential for a strike. Aside from the disingenuous utterings from Ridgeway and SRB about everyone else accepting the company offer, they didn't mention that the "offer" was imposed, not accepted as all the other workgroups are not as united and organized as are the pilots.
As for the comments about overpaid pilots then let them employ average British workers to fly their planes. Uh oh - There's a flaw in that argument too.
Pay the pilots the going rate for their skills and you won't have any disruption. If they can find £47 million to pay the fines and costs of their CEO's price fixing debacle then they can find the few million extra to fund the difference between the sub-inflation offer and the going rate the pilots expect after their salary sacrifices over the last three years.
Not too much to expect but thanks to an HR head who has promised the board that she can break the last unionized group within Virgin we now have the potential for a strike. Aside from the disingenuous utterings from Ridgeway and SRB about everyone else accepting the company offer, they didn't mention that the "offer" was imposed, not accepted as all the other workgroups are not as united and organized as are the pilots.
Both me and my wife have had either below inflation rises or pay freezes over the last 3 years, we have saved like mad for a special holiday this year after 3 years of no holiday, only to realise that it could be ruined even before we get there.
As a member of the great unwashed you will struggle for sympathy whilst others have a far harder struggle for a lot less money.
As a member of the great unwashed you will struggle for sympathy whilst others have a far harder struggle for a lot less money.
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After all the last decent pay award that VS pilots got was after one of the CC unearthed that there was a sizeable amount of money ending up offshore.
I'm shocked ..........................................................no t
I'm shocked ..........................................................no t
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Your holiday probably won't be ruined if it is ATOL/ABTA protected, you'll probably just end up on another carrier.
Striking has become quite unfashionable over the last few years, but the blame has to fall on fat cat or incompetent management, rather than the put upon workforce irrespective of their income.
I suggest you write directly to Richard Branson and complain about the way his managers are running his company.
Striking has become quite unfashionable over the last few years, but the blame has to fall on fat cat or incompetent management, rather than the put upon workforce irrespective of their income.
I suggest you write directly to Richard Branson and complain about the way his managers are running his company.
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Best of luck to the professional pilots of VS! You will never win the sympathy or understanding of the public - so dont try!(especially with the UKs gutter press on your backs). You know what you are worth, stick to your guns. If only more pilots would stand up for themselves sigh!
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I don't know, have I missed something?
I wonder, if after the receipts based exercise last year when it was decided by HMRC that duty pay should be taxed at the full rate, has been forgotten by those who cannot understand the frustration of the pilots. Yes they earn okay money for their responsibilities but with the tax changes, paying the full amount on duty pay and probably being at the bottom of those losing their personal tax allowance they and I am up to UKL 400 a month worse off with no prospect of a pay rise, (actual take home pay), without either a substantial pay rise or major salary sacrificing, which doesn't help much with inflation at it's current rate. We have had a serious pay CUT since this time last year. No wonder people are fed up.
I wonder, if after the receipts based exercise last year when it was decided by HMRC that duty pay should be taxed at the full rate, has been forgotten by those who cannot understand the frustration of the pilots. Yes they earn okay money for their responsibilities but with the tax changes, paying the full amount on duty pay and probably being at the bottom of those losing their personal tax allowance they and I am up to UKL 400 a month worse off with no prospect of a pay rise, (actual take home pay), without either a substantial pay rise or major salary sacrificing, which doesn't help much with inflation at it's current rate. We have had a serious pay CUT since this time last year. No wonder people are fed up.
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Virgin don't want to pay the going rate for long haul pilots.
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I suggest you write directly to Richard Branson and complain about the way his managers are running his company
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Insty66 sorry to read that you and your wife work for companies that value you both as they do, and sorry to read that you and your wife, and your work collegues dont care enough to stand up to your companies to try and better your pay . Your reply is typical of this countries me me me attitude, if i cant have it then nobody else can! You moan that for the last 3 years you and your wife have had under inflation pay rises or a pay freeze so what have you and your wife done about it? Obviously nothing! Virgin pilots are doing something about it though, 97% of BALPA Virgin pilots feel that they need to stand up and show the company that they are not happy with the pay at Virgin and are willing to withdraw there labour. I would bet that not one of them actually wants to strike, and not one of them wants to mess up your holiday, but they are willing to show Virgin that as a workforce they have reached a point and need to show the company how they feel, when was the last time you showed your company how you felt Insty?
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Who says Virgin were paying below the market rate when I applied for the job? What's your point? This is about what's been happening for the last few years.
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This is about so much more than pay. 97% of a professional body one of very few professional bodies at VS are in total agreement that the current management is inept. It has systematically removed any element of enjoyment from this company.
It constantly undermines the decisions made by pilots, it has handed all direction to HR who know nothing of a pilots lifestyle nor working pressures. It shows absolutely no respect for its pilots, this is then filtered through the food- chain to crew and ground staff alike.
Many pilots have been disciplined and even fired for minor and sometimes fictitious events. The fleet management are totally invisible and only interested in safeguarding their pension and income as well as picking the nice trips and events.
A pilots word used to have credence as a respected professional but at VS, should a pilot dare to speak up he would definitely disciplined and probably fired.
Yes, pay is an issue but not the only one and I would dare to say not even the major one. Reform is needed here or the airline is no longer viable for pilots to work for.
Promotions are another issue, new joiners can expect around 20 years to command if ever. There is no system in place for any career progression. A sad, sad state of affairs and a very unhappy place.
It constantly undermines the decisions made by pilots, it has handed all direction to HR who know nothing of a pilots lifestyle nor working pressures. It shows absolutely no respect for its pilots, this is then filtered through the food- chain to crew and ground staff alike.
Many pilots have been disciplined and even fired for minor and sometimes fictitious events. The fleet management are totally invisible and only interested in safeguarding their pension and income as well as picking the nice trips and events.
A pilots word used to have credence as a respected professional but at VS, should a pilot dare to speak up he would definitely disciplined and probably fired.
Yes, pay is an issue but not the only one and I would dare to say not even the major one. Reform is needed here or the airline is no longer viable for pilots to work for.
Promotions are another issue, new joiners can expect around 20 years to command if ever. There is no system in place for any career progression. A sad, sad state of affairs and a very unhappy place.
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This is about what's been happening for the last few years.