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Does anyone have a link to the payscales for 2011 as all the stuff on PJN is dated May 2008?
Also what are the different types of roster a B744 F/O can bid for?
Many thanks in advance.
DO.
Also what are the different types of roster a B744 F/O can bid for?
Many thanks in advance.
DO.
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DO, you clearly haven't ready anything about BA in this or the recruitment thread.
There are no ''types'' of roster.
Please do your own research. It only takes a bit effort.
Basis start salary I think these days is around 47-48k but not sure.
There are no ''types'' of roster.
Please do your own research. It only takes a bit effort.
Basis start salary I think these days is around 47-48k but not sure.
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All paypoint 1 capt scales start around £70k basic. Pp24 longhaul capt is £141k basic.
Most people will make £12k per year on top of basic, plus any overtime you may wish to work.
By the time you reach pp19-20, you need to think seriously about leaving the country!
Copilots scales are 75% of associated P1 salaries.
Unlike some other companies, a copilot moves across to his-her equivalent P1 pp. Eg a pp9 P2 transfers immediately to the pp9 P1 rate.
There are a few (mostly trainers) earning in excess of £200k.
HTH
Edited to add: Thinking about it, that may be before the most recent 4 ish% payrise. Not sure...
Most people will make £12k per year on top of basic, plus any overtime you may wish to work.
By the time you reach pp19-20, you need to think seriously about leaving the country!
Copilots scales are 75% of associated P1 salaries.
Unlike some other companies, a copilot moves across to his-her equivalent P1 pp. Eg a pp9 P2 transfers immediately to the pp9 P1 rate.
There are a few (mostly trainers) earning in excess of £200k.
HTH
Edited to add: Thinking about it, that may be before the most recent 4 ish% payrise. Not sure...
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Thanks Guys for the replies, it's much appreciated info.
Shaka, I was under the impression that people can 'bid' for 'types' of rosters e.g. 'Max time away', 'Min. time away' etc., similar to what we had in Emirates. I was just wondering what the range of options were that were available. Is this not the case any more?
To be brutally honest I spent as much of the weekend as I could trawling through the T&E threads but I still had unanswered questions. And time isn't endless when one has things to do with the family on a precious Bank Holiday weekend. I just wanted answers those questions, instead of wasting hours trawling through threads dating back to 2007.
Once again, thanks very much everybody.
Shaka, I was under the impression that people can 'bid' for 'types' of rosters e.g. 'Max time away', 'Min. time away' etc., similar to what we had in Emirates. I was just wondering what the range of options were that were available. Is this not the case any more?
To be brutally honest I spent as much of the weekend as I could trawling through the T&E threads but I still had unanswered questions. And time isn't endless when one has things to do with the family on a precious Bank Holiday weekend. I just wanted answers those questions, instead of wasting hours trawling through threads dating back to 2007.
Once again, thanks very much everybody.
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If you don't mind me saying, your last post raises an issue which may be far more important than salary...
Expecting to have a life with family on a 'precious Bank Holiday weekend' is unlikely to be possible for you as junior trash! Having absolutely no control over your roster for the first few years, might be a deal breaker for you...
BA pilots have a system of seniority (at least some of which is likely illegal) that is similar to what you would have found in a public school. A system in which the 'fags' do all the dross.
Bid for whatever kind of work you wish, but on a Blind Line, (first five years or so...) you only have access to the stuff that nobody else wanted, and you will simply be rostered (Usually on all the days that nobody else wants to work, rather than the destinations!) with very little consideration for any requested days off for weddings, birthdays, anniversaries, xmas etc. Expect to be working the vast majority of weekends, and to miss some important family occasions.
PS: The big boys aren't expected to work bank holidays!
If you don't mind me saying, your last post raises an issue which may be far more important than salary...
Expecting to have a life with family on a 'precious Bank Holiday weekend' is unlikely to be possible for you as junior trash! Having absolutely no control over your roster for the first few years, might be a deal breaker for you...
BA pilots have a system of seniority (at least some of which is likely illegal) that is similar to what you would have found in a public school. A system in which the 'fags' do all the dross.
Bid for whatever kind of work you wish, but on a Blind Line, (first five years or so...) you only have access to the stuff that nobody else wanted, and you will simply be rostered (Usually on all the days that nobody else wants to work, rather than the destinations!) with very little consideration for any requested days off for weddings, birthdays, anniversaries, xmas etc. Expect to be working the vast majority of weekends, and to miss some important family occasions.
PS: The big boys aren't expected to work bank holidays!
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D O
I was under the impression that people can 'bid' for 'types' of rosters e.g. 'Max time away', 'Min. time away'
If you don't get a "line" you get a roster (blindline) made up of the work that, guess what, in the main the senior guys don't want.
(Edited because the original was done on a connection with limited access and didn't allow any tidying - hope it's a bit clearer now))
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Thanks Guys, it was the first Bank Holiday I'd been rostered off without requesting it in 17 years & 4 airlines! And Tande', you raise a VERY valid point.
Like I said earlier thanks for the info. please keep it coming.
Like I said earlier thanks for the info. please keep it coming.
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As a new joiner form the last recruitment drive on the 747 a few years ago I can confrim most of what's been said before.
BKK-SYD is about as senior as it gets. I've not done one at all. I don't like being away for 9 days, so don't want to do them.
SIN, CPT, JNB occasionally drop all the way to the bottom, but probably about once a year each in my case.
Tandemrotor gives a bit off a reality check with what you can expect. The 744 is the most senior fleet in the company, so if you join that fleet at year1, like I did, it'll be a fair while until you get some control. Not unfair I would say, considering most people in the company had to wait years to be able to move.
Having said all that, there are so many possibilities to tweak your roster by using the system. Trade with other people, trade with available trips in the computer, use the week off reserve gives you etc.
The 744 has got such a big network that it feels like I never go to places "often".
To give you some perspective, Mex is considered one of the least popular places, but it's horses for courses. With my lack of bidding power, to work the same hours as the MEX, I'll have to do two 3day trips like JFK, BOS, LOS. So two 2man night flights versus sitting by the pool in MEX for a few days or even taking a fligt to cancun and chill out there...
BKK-SYD is about as senior as it gets. I've not done one at all. I don't like being away for 9 days, so don't want to do them.
SIN, CPT, JNB occasionally drop all the way to the bottom, but probably about once a year each in my case.
Tandemrotor gives a bit off a reality check with what you can expect. The 744 is the most senior fleet in the company, so if you join that fleet at year1, like I did, it'll be a fair while until you get some control. Not unfair I would say, considering most people in the company had to wait years to be able to move.
Having said all that, there are so many possibilities to tweak your roster by using the system. Trade with other people, trade with available trips in the computer, use the week off reserve gives you etc.
The 744 has got such a big network that it feels like I never go to places "often".
To give you some perspective, Mex is considered one of the least popular places, but it's horses for courses. With my lack of bidding power, to work the same hours as the MEX, I'll have to do two 3day trips like JFK, BOS, LOS. So two 2man night flights versus sitting by the pool in MEX for a few days or even taking a fligt to cancun and chill out there...
a few landings a month or is it more?
FWIW in my 15'ish years in the RHS on the fleet I averaged 2 or 3 landings in an average month. It can be very variable - anyone who picks up a lot of two pilot trips (e.g. US East coast) might get 4-5 a month, the guys who pick up the 3 or 4 pilot trips are going to do less.
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Concentrate on either a) getting in to BA b) Getting through the first 6 months probation / passing TR/line training.
All these questions re bidding are valid but the bidding system is complicated and at this point fruitless in discussion, only to say, you will have no regrets in joining the 400 fleet and BA in general.
You will be surprised how much flexibility you will have in your roster even being at the bottom.
Enjoy
Concentrate on either a) getting in to BA b) Getting through the first 6 months probation / passing TR/line training.
All these questions re bidding are valid but the bidding system is complicated and at this point fruitless in discussion, only to say, you will have no regrets in joining the 400 fleet and BA in general.
You will be surprised how much flexibility you will have in your roster even being at the bottom.
Enjoy
theearl is right, sound advice, but since the question has been asked,
I'll try.
The monthly bidpack, (document containing a list of all the available lines of work ) should contain all the lines of work available to be bid for: Triplines, Blindlines and Reserve Lines.
At Initial Bid publication Blindlines on most fleets (e.g 777) are completely empty....you can bid for a Blindline but you have no idea how Scheduling are going to fill the line later in the work allocation process, no idea of days off etc.
However on a Fleet with "Seeded Blindline's" (only the 744 Fleet) each Blindline will contain one trip (which should be a "long range" trip) at publication. That means that looking at any seeded Blindline you know for definite some of it's working days and probably more importantly some of the days off ( i.e. before/after the seeded trip), and can bid as appropriate.
Hope that makes sense and helps....
Could someone define a 'seeded' blindline?
The monthly bidpack, (document containing a list of all the available lines of work ) should contain all the lines of work available to be bid for: Triplines, Blindlines and Reserve Lines.
At Initial Bid publication Blindlines on most fleets (e.g 777) are completely empty....you can bid for a Blindline but you have no idea how Scheduling are going to fill the line later in the work allocation process, no idea of days off etc.
However on a Fleet with "Seeded Blindline's" (only the 744 Fleet) each Blindline will contain one trip (which should be a "long range" trip) at publication. That means that looking at any seeded Blindline you know for definite some of it's working days and probably more importantly some of the days off ( i.e. before/after the seeded trip), and can bid as appropriate.
Hope that makes sense and helps....
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A 'Seeded' Blidline is a blank line of work with one 'seeded' trip on it.
For example, it may have a four day LAX on it Sunday to Wednesday. By default, this would mean that you would be guaranteed the 2 days off before and after, as LAX is a 'long range' destination with the requirement for 2 local nights off before and after.
In practical terms, even if you don't want to go to a particular destination, it can be very useful in getting specific days off that are required if you are otherwise not senior enough to achieve them otherwise or have no pre-booked leave etc.
As another tip, it is very worthwhile bidding for your sim checks. They have to give you a day off before a sim check, so bid for your sim check on a Monday, and you will get the Sunday off - you will be surprised at how many forget to bid for their sim check.
You can also bid for the time slot for your sim. So, depending on where you live and the traffic bid for early or late slots [normally the slot on day 2 is 4 hours earlier than on day 1].
Another tip, while I am at it, is to express a preference for your line check. It can be a way to get to a 'nice' destination that you can't achieve with your seniority!
[from a retired 744 captain]
/oops ... see that Wiggy has already responded .... hope this adds some extra value ...../
For example, it may have a four day LAX on it Sunday to Wednesday. By default, this would mean that you would be guaranteed the 2 days off before and after, as LAX is a 'long range' destination with the requirement for 2 local nights off before and after.
In practical terms, even if you don't want to go to a particular destination, it can be very useful in getting specific days off that are required if you are otherwise not senior enough to achieve them otherwise or have no pre-booked leave etc.
As another tip, it is very worthwhile bidding for your sim checks. They have to give you a day off before a sim check, so bid for your sim check on a Monday, and you will get the Sunday off - you will be surprised at how many forget to bid for their sim check.
You can also bid for the time slot for your sim. So, depending on where you live and the traffic bid for early or late slots [normally the slot on day 2 is 4 hours earlier than on day 1].
Another tip, while I am at it, is to express a preference for your line check. It can be a way to get to a 'nice' destination that you can't achieve with your seniority!
[from a retired 744 captain]
/oops ... see that Wiggy has already responded .... hope this adds some extra value ...../
