Lufthansa Italia recruitment
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Well, if you are a new pilot just out of school, this is definitly a very good oppurtunity to get MCC, an Airbus rating and a relatively safe and well-paid job. So why not?
Regarding future upgrades: You have to be in the company for 42 months and have 3000 hours in the company to be upgraded to captain, so expect that as minimum. The German pilots, who are going to be trained as captains initially will have a minimum stay of three years.
Why do I think that they will be paying less? That is the whole point of having "Italian" pilots! Otherwise they could have offered pilots from LH mainline to be based in MXP, having all the experience and know-how already. The pay for a new captain will be less than for an SFO on the long-haul fleet that is flying there for some years...
Regarding future upgrades: You have to be in the company for 42 months and have 3000 hours in the company to be upgraded to captain, so expect that as minimum. The German pilots, who are going to be trained as captains initially will have a minimum stay of three years.
Why do I think that they will be paying less? That is the whole point of having "Italian" pilots! Otherwise they could have offered pilots from LH mainline to be based in MXP, having all the experience and know-how already. The pay for a new captain will be less than for an SFO on the long-haul fleet that is flying there for some years...
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Hello there.
Greenpilots, do you have any idea of how many pilots are being invited to Hamburg, and how many will be hired to LHI, or the percentile of the ones sent to Hamburg versus being hired?
Greenpilots, do you have any idea of how many pilots are being invited to Hamburg, and how many will be hired to LHI, or the percentile of the ones sent to Hamburg versus being hired?
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I guess that all pilots meeting the requirements will be invited.
They are currently looking for up to 40 captains within LH, so we need about the same amount of new F/Os. The ratio will depend on the number of people invited, compared to those who pass the test. Usually this figure is around 5-10%.
They are currently looking for up to 40 captains within LH, so we need about the same amount of new F/Os. The ratio will depend on the number of people invited, compared to those who pass the test. Usually this figure is around 5-10%.
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...so LH invites 800 already pre-selected pilotes, to take around max 40 only out of them 
and the big rest of 760 pilots ? are they unable to pilot an aircraft, are they all lame duck pilots and loser ?
Must be great to be one of the selected ones
and the big rest of 760 pilots ? are they unable to pilot an aircraft, are they all lame duck pilots and loser ?
Must be great to be one of the selected ones
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What's next?
Hi guys, I have been invited to do the DLR on 13th October.
Does anybody know what to expect after the test?
How is the whole selection process going to be?
Thanks in advance
Does anybody know what to expect after the test?
How is the whole selection process going to be?
Thanks in advance
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and the big rest of 760 pilots ? are they unable to pilot an aircraft, are they all lame duck pilots and loser ?
Otherwise, Hapag, LTU, AirBerlin etc. wouldn't exist.
I see it that way that LH selection gives you a 95% chance to survive the training.
That's it, not more.
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...so LH invites 800 already pre-selected pilotes, to take around max 40 only out of them
Must be great to be one of the selected ones
I see it that way that LH selection gives you a 95% chance to survive the training.
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Still don't get your point. Fact is, once one has passed the LH test, he/she will "survive" the training with a 95% chance, that's for true.
True is also, the remaining 5% are not completly unable, 'cause there is an unknown percentage who quit for other reasons, e.g. "don't like it", medical, private or whatever reasons.
So, what's "bull****" with my post?
Still don't get your point. Fact is, once one has passed the LH test, he/she will "survive" the training with a 95% chance, that's for true.
True is also, the remaining 5% are not completly unable, 'cause there is an unknown percentage who quit for other reasons, e.g. "don't like it", medical, private or whatever reasons.
So, what's "bull****" with my post?
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Maybe the statistic says that 95% pass the training, but this has nothing to do with the selection process or the amount of applicants invited.
BTW, I know some people who did not pass the training and they are no bad pilots.
BTW, I know some people who did not pass the training and they are no bad pilots.
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well, mathematics especially percentage calculation is not everbodys love....
probably @hetfield means:
LH initially has to sort out between 1000's of applications from wannabees.
LH then take 800 pilots
5-10% pass
so they start training with ca 40
95% then will pass training
at the end they will have 38 fresh pilots to welcome in the Exclusive-LH-Elite-Club...und man war schon immer etwas Besseres mit der gelben "Lebensberechtigungskarte"
probably @hetfield means:
LH initially has to sort out between 1000's of applications from wannabees.
LH then take 800 pilots
5-10% pass
so they start training with ca 40
95% then will pass training
at the end they will have 38 fresh pilots to welcome in the Exclusive-LH-Elite-Club...und man war schon immer etwas Besseres mit der gelben "Lebensberechtigungskarte"
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I think he means that if you are taken by LHI, you have a 95% chance to "survive" the training, as this is the statistic, but it has nothing to do with the selection and the original question was "Why would they invite about 800 applicants if they only need 40 pilots".
Actually I dont know what the outcome rate in LH is, but if it would be only 5-10%, then I think there is something wrong and they really wasting money.
I dont know any airline with such a low rate.
Actually I dont know what the outcome rate in LH is, but if it would be only 5-10%, then I think there is something wrong and they really wasting money.
I dont know any airline with such a low rate.
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I have filled out the online application for LH Italia. In the end I'm requested to submit (by snail mail(!)) some kind of personal data usage form and copys of my flying license and medical. Did those of you invited for assessment really submit these documents, or is it some kind of remnant from older times?
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Hi guys,
the method behind the LH selection is to find good pilots and people that fit into a certain scheme, thereby eliminating the chance for human error. We try to find people that will go along well with each other, who are able to live CRM and who have a certain mindset. The argument about the others being "less good pilots" and so on is brought up time after time. Well, it can be said that some are maybe not as good, but many simply don't fit in. They might be excellent pilots, but for some reason they are not within the limits.
As for the payment. FO gross seems to be 3500 Euros, however per diem and other commodities will be up to Italian standards (13th and 14th salary paid). Captains earn much less than with mainline LH.
@EAM: It seems you are not recognizing that LH doesn't work like many other airlines. Being typically German they select those pilots they want beforehand and avoid expensive training thereby. Getting the best out of 800 is much cheaper than taking the first 50, not being able to get 10 through the training and having to give another 10 much more time than planned. Things are maybe not perfect with LH, but are well-considered. The company does not have money to be wasted!
the method behind the LH selection is to find good pilots and people that fit into a certain scheme, thereby eliminating the chance for human error. We try to find people that will go along well with each other, who are able to live CRM and who have a certain mindset. The argument about the others being "less good pilots" and so on is brought up time after time. Well, it can be said that some are maybe not as good, but many simply don't fit in. They might be excellent pilots, but for some reason they are not within the limits.
As for the payment. FO gross seems to be 3500 Euros, however per diem and other commodities will be up to Italian standards (13th and 14th salary paid). Captains earn much less than with mainline LH.
@EAM: It seems you are not recognizing that LH doesn't work like many other airlines. Being typically German they select those pilots they want beforehand and avoid expensive training thereby. Getting the best out of 800 is much cheaper than taking the first 50, not being able to get 10 through the training and having to give another 10 much more time than planned. Things are maybe not perfect with LH, but are well-considered. The company does not have money to be wasted!
My dear Green, in my company we have some of your Lufthansa Flight Training stars and they are not the best...moreover, one of the worst FOs as a person in my company has just been DLR positive after failing 2 PCs in a row...but he is German, blonde and tall.
If the DLR is only for Germans...that's OK...but if I pass or not the DLR it is not because I am or not within limits after having almost 8,000 hrs / 5 different authorities ATPLs / three type ratings / not accident or incident records.
Besides...German pilots also crash aircraft like any other...
If the DLR is only for Germans...that's OK...but if I pass or not the DLR it is not because I am or not within limits after having almost 8,000 hrs / 5 different authorities ATPLs / three type ratings / not accident or incident records.
Besides...German pilots also crash aircraft like any other...
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Hello cosmiccomet,
I am sorry to hear that, but some do get through our tight net...
Btw, LH is not about being German, but speaking German. Many pilots are from Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, even places like Cyprus or Asia. If you speak German fluently you may apply as well.
"If the DLR is only for Germans...that's OK...but if I pass or not the DLR it is not because I am or not within limits after having almost 8,000 hrs / 5 different authorities ATPLs / three type ratings / not accident or incident records." - It is not all about hours and the number of ratings! It is also about personality and social skills (not judging you in any way here). That is what people don't understand. I can be a good pilot with 1000 hrs and I can be a bad pilot with 10000 hrs.
But we are starting to get a bit off-topic. From my experience I know that this will be an endless discussion, so lets rather keep to the topic
I am sorry to hear that, but some do get through our tight net...
Btw, LH is not about being German, but speaking German. Many pilots are from Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, even places like Cyprus or Asia. If you speak German fluently you may apply as well.
"If the DLR is only for Germans...that's OK...but if I pass or not the DLR it is not because I am or not within limits after having almost 8,000 hrs / 5 different authorities ATPLs / three type ratings / not accident or incident records." - It is not all about hours and the number of ratings! It is also about personality and social skills (not judging you in any way here). That is what people don't understand. I can be a good pilot with 1000 hrs and I can be a bad pilot with 10000 hrs.
But we are starting to get a bit off-topic. From my experience I know that this will be an endless discussion, so lets rather keep to the topic
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My dear Green, in my company we have some of your Lufthansa Flight Training stars and they are not the best...moreover, one of the worst FOs as a person in my company has just been DLR positive after failing 2 PCs in a row...but he is German, blonde and tall.
If the DLR is only for Germans...that's OK...but if I pass or not the DLR it is not because I am or not within limits after having almost 8,000 hrs / 5 different authorities ATPLs / three type ratings / not accident or incident records.
Besides...German pilots also crash aircraft like any other...
If the DLR is only for Germans...that's OK...but if I pass or not the DLR it is not because I am or not within limits after having almost 8,000 hrs / 5 different authorities ATPLs / three type ratings / not accident or incident records.
Besides...German pilots also crash aircraft like any other...
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8,000 hrs / 5 different authorities ATPLs / three type ratings / not accident or incident records.
This to me is a pilot not fitting in anywhere, going from place to place looking for something better elsewhere. Probably all right seat hours, correct me if I am wrong.
After all they are hiring future captains not first officers. Agree that this discussion is drifting away from being a source of usefull information on LHI
All the best
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This to me is a pilot not fitting in anywhere, going from place to place looking for something better elsewhere. Probably all right seat hours, correct me if I am wrong.
After all they are hiring future captains not first officers. Agree that this discussion is drifting away from being a source of usefull information on LHI
All the best
1975